Zepla about FFXIV Relic and Square Enix not taking any Risks

[Gemina]

As mentioned before, they are both just clowns with microphones that mostly would do things like this, because the game does not go their degraded way of gameplay and both Zepla and that MrHappy person only cover a small small fraction of players opinions and whatever is in it...

I finally managed to get through most of this thread, and this is the take I agree with the most. Zepla and Mr. Happy combine to make two people, or roughly about .0002% of the entire playerbase. Zepla in particular, I cannot stand. Her content is poor not only for FFXIV, but as a content creator in general. But really what did it for her was when she went off on a two-year old temper tantrum about housing a few years back, which was just so cringe. Mr. Happy OTOH has very good content: Interesting topics, sticks to the subject, gives valid opinions when warranted, good PvE guides. My only issue with him is his face. Not that it's hideous or anything. This is something I generally dislike about FFXIV content creators because I want to see the content, not the mugs of the creators.

In short, it's going to take much more than them to get me to hop on the dog pile of expressing how crappy the game is or has become. I have my issues with it. Many of which are shared with the views on these forums. Some of these, but not restricted to are: healing, encounter design, glamour system, custom creator, gold saucer events, ilv bloat in duties, alliance raids, and lack of challenge in normal level duties.

A big reason why I come to the defense of the devs so often isn't because I have zero issues with the game, and think it's a perfect digital utopia, but rather because I respect them, their time, and their efforts. The impression I constantly get from many of the posters on this forum is a grand sense of entitlement for themselves, and a severe lack of appreciation for the work this dev team does. There are many posters here who I have engaged in arguments with whom I still respect and value their feedback. Then there are those who don't know how to debate in a constructive and civil manner, resorting to memes, unwarranted insults, and echoes to make their arguments.

For the relic in particular. I think for some players it is the straw that breaks the camels back. They've had it with disappointment after disappointment. I can sympathize with those feelings. But I also can see where the devs are coming from who have not been able to implement this content without ruffling feathers. They've tried many approaches, with the current tomestone steps being the latest. They can do no right with this content, and it is my belief that it is time to scrap it entirely come 7.0. Content like Deep Dungeons, Eureka and Bozja can survive on their own merit without throwing relic steps in to incentivize them. Relic weapons in the context of these great and powerful arms of the WoL does not fit in the progression style that FFXIV uses. The only time, and I do mean the only time this was viable was when all we had was ARR. As soon as HW came around, the concept of relics was destroyed.

That said, what I constantly do is find things about the game I enjoy and stick to those instead of focusing my energy on what I have no power to change. I also ration the content knowing how limited it is. I do this by finding replay value in the content I've cleared, and spending time doing things outside the game. Things that help give me a sense of purpose and accomplishment: exercising, tending to my house plants, time with family/friends, my job, tidiness in my living space. And yes, playing other games too. FFXIV has its issues, and it always will. It can never make everyone playing happy. But the players themselves have the power to find meaningful ways to spend their time online. That is what I implore.

[Themarvin]

I finally managed to get through most of this thread, and this is the take I agree with the most. Zepla and Mr. Happy combine to make two people, or roughly about .0002% of the entire playerbase. Zepla in particular, I cannot stand. Her content is poor not only for FFXIV, but as a content creator in general. But really what did it for her was when she went off on a two-year old temper tantrum about housing a few years back, which was just so cringe. Mr. Happy OTOH has very good content: Interesting topics, sticks to the subject, gives valid opinions when warranted, good PvE guides. My only issue with him is his face. Not that it's hideous or anything. This is something I generally dislike about FFXIV content creators because I want to see the content, not the mugs of the creators.

In short, it's going to take much more than them to get me to hop on the dog pile of expressing how crappy the game is or has become. I have my issues with it. Many of which are shared with the views on these forums. Some of these, but not restricted to are: healing, encounter design, glamour system, custom creator, gold saucer events, ilv bloat in duties, alliance raids, and lack of challenge in normal level duties.
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They are both clowns, so is Meonie and others... much of their content creation especially if it is new has been datamined... and when their stuff is out you already had the patch notes from SE, so it is pointless content.

Also... they are NOT content creators of FFXIV, the SE Dev and writing team is.


Technically they are just craving for likes and views... and am like Leave Britney Alone kind of attention seeking.

Play the game live, do content live... and make it a one time happening instead, but they are not capable of that either.... and then there is the flawed how to do extremes, savage and whatever with outdates moves as well as inefficient.... get to the point show mechanics.. end of story, no one is there to watch a bad variant of the 3 stoges.

[TowaIsBestGirl]

For the relic in particular. I think for some players it is the straw that breaks the camels back. They've had it with disappointment after disappointment. I can sympathize with those feelings. But I also can see where the devs are coming from who have not been able to implement this content without ruffling feathers. They've tried many approaches, with the current tomestone steps being the latest. They can do no right with this content, and it is my belief that it is time to scrap it entirely come 7.0. Content like Deep Dungeons, Eureka and Bozja can survive on their own merit without throwing relic steps in to incentivize them. Relic weapons in the context of these great and powerful arms of the WoL does not fit in the progression style that FFXIV uses. The only time, and I do mean the only time this was viable was when all we had was ARR. As soon as HW came around, the concept of relics was destroyed.

This might well be one of the most relevant and well-thought out opinions I've seen posted here, and I thank you for saying it. If we're stooping to the level of rendering Relics tomestone weaponry when we already possess such things, maybe it is indeed time to ditch the idea entirely. I enjoyed the stories of Bozja and Eureka respectively, and I like to think I have faith that the devs in question could produce another one on the same level in the future if allocated the requisite resources.

Make it happen, Square!

[R041]

It's kinda funny watching the community basically turn on the only content creators they have left. Right now Twitch is just a bunch of night club DJs with 10-30 viewers, random players doing MSQ for views, and sometimes Xeno.

"Yeah, I never liked them anyway" - Too bad they the only hype generators you got..

Remember when everyone was excited we started getting content creators from WoW and other MMOs hyping us up, then they all just.. Disappeared?

Now you turn on the ones that have been here for years. Pretty messed up.

[Kaurhz]

It's kinda funny watching the community basically turn on the only content creators they have left. Right now Twitch is just a bunch of night club DJs with 10-30 viewers, random players doing MSQ for views, and sometimes Xeno.

"Yeah, I never liked them anyway" - Too bad they the only hype generators you got..

Remember when everyone was excited we started getting content creators from WoW and other MMOs hyping us up, then they all just.. Disappeared?

Now you turn on the ones that have been here for years. Pretty messed up.

This implies that the same people are on all of those categories you've listed, and rather just not separate people and groups entirely.

[Themarvin]

It's kinda funny watching the community basically turn on the only content creators they have left. Right now Twitch is just a bunch of night club DJs with 10-30 viewers, random players doing MSQ for views, and sometimes Xeno.

"Yeah, I never liked them anyway" - Too bad they the only hype generators you got..

Remember when everyone was excited we started getting content creators from WoW and other MMOs hyping us up, then they all just.. Disappeared?

Now you turn on the ones that have been here for years. Pretty messed up.

It is not content to watch streams, it is content if people actually play the game, I don't get the content creator thing you are talking about, this is an MMORPG, sure guides and whatever can be called for usefull content, but it is not content creation at all... several people make guides and or show the mechanics out there.

Why would be watch actual content and not play it? The target group could never be FFXIV players for that if you want to create awareness then it must be people out there that ha snever heard of the game or might want to give it a try, because they have seen some gameplay.

I could not in the wildest dreams simp over some Streamer IF I GOT the game and IF I am actually playing it as well, as to patch notes and the likes, the official sources is best.

And nope this is not the community turning onto the so called 'big' streamers out there, this is the streamers turning on the community with pretty much only showing stuff we already are experiencing in live actually playing the game, to create content for FFXIV with streaming, you actually need to be creative and eg. not just be a parrot telling what the patchnotes is about and showing datamined content, where you use third party tools to have pulled out this or that new minion or mount, before anyone could even get one.

[NekoMataMata]

FF14 Fanboys when streamer praise game: see we are better than WoW, at least our streamers enjoy the game!

FF14 Fanboys when streamer criticize the game: yeah fuck them who cares about them anyway

I don't think anyone has actively turned on Zepla except the people in the FF14 community that went after her for playing Hogwarts Legacy.

Most people in the main community are smart enough not to burn bridges. They'll quietly ignore her if she's criticizing the game, and just hope that she comes back at a later patch or expansion to praise it again. GCBTW is not going to villainize themselves by actively and publicly harassing her. They might want to, but they won't because most of them are aware of the consequences.

[Frodnoxx]

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That respect should be a two way street. The more emotional and galvanizing posts from unsatisfied people are a result of the devs demonstrating time and time again that they are not listening. I don't think I've ever seen a dev post in this forum, and the most I've seen of these topics being brought up in live media is YoshiP mentioning having heard something about something in passing. It's also not an issue of "it's my way or your way" there are issues being discussed that can easily be designed to satisfy a much broader spectrum of players without turning against those who like how things now. But the devs have seemingly deliberately chosen to not even humor those who would like more of something else. Respecting the devs time and efforts is all fine and good. But at some point, as you say, there is the last straw that breaks the camels back.

As for the memes, insults, and echoes. At this point, I've seen both sides of the forum have resorted to it.

Some people are not as content with the notion that they "have no power to change" the game they play and pay for. The customers feedback should be exactly what a spurs change in a product. And then comes the argument of "just play something else"...

In MMOs people build their character, they earn achievements, make social circles, invest in the story and world and mechanics, and otherwise commit to a game they love and put a lot of effort into. This phenomenon is the the entire basis of the MMO genre's success. This is the reason WoW is seeing it's 9th expansion - not because it is or has been a good game. Getting someone to abandon an MMO they have invested in is not a simple process.

This is why the "play something else" argument is unconvincing. People WANT to play the game. And when they do they want to feel like they are enjoying it and they feel stuck when they have to choose between continuing to not enjoy the game or abandon their investment. This coupled with the feeling of powerlessness due to the lack of dev interaction is especially disheartening.

I'm not saying either side is right or wrong. I'm just trying to rationalize what it is you and I are seeing and experiencing in the forums nowadays.

Edit: This doesn't pertain to people who are blatantly trolling and making no effort at good faith in their posting.

[ZephyrMenodora]

That respect should be a two way street. The more emotional and galvanizing posts from unsatisfied people are a result of the devs demonstrating time and time again that they are not listening. I don't think I've ever seen a dev post in this forum, and the most I've seen of these topics being brought up in live media is YoshiP mentioning having heard something about something in passing. It's also not an issue of "it's my way or your way" there are issues being discussed that can easily be designed to satisfy a much broader spectrum of players without turning against those who like how things now. But the devs have seemingly deliberately chosen to not even humor those who would like more of something else. Respecting the devs time and efforts is all fine and good. But at some point, as you say, there is the last straw that breaks the camels back.

As for the memes, insults, and echoes. At this point, I've seen both sides of the forum have resorted to it.

Some people are not as content with the notion that they "have no power to change" the game they play and pay for. The customers feedback should be exactly what a spurs change in a product. And then comes the argument of "just play something else"...

In MMOs people build their character, they earn achievements, make social circles, invest in the story and world and mechanics, and otherwise commit to a game they love and put a lot of effort into. This phenomenon is the the entire basis of the MMO genre's success. This is the reason WoW is seeing it's 9th expansion - not because it is or has been a good game. Getting someone to abandon an MMO they have invested in is not a simple process.

This is why the "play something else" argument is unconvincing. People WANT to play the game. And when they do they want to feel like they are enjoying it and they feel stuck when they have to choose between continuing to not enjoy the game or abandon their investment. This coupled with the feeling of powerlessness due to the lack of dev interaction is especially disheartening.

I'm not saying either side is right or wrong. I'm just trying to rationalize what it is you and I are seeing and experiencing in the forums nowadays.

Edit: This doesn't pertain to people who are blatantly trolling and making no effort at good faith in their posting.

With how little behavior and tone is moderated here, I wouldn't come here as a dev either. They really need to hire full time community mods like ESO.

[RyuDragnier]

With how little behavior and tone is moderated here, I wouldn't come here as a dev either. They really need to hire full time community mods like ESO.

Just not as...gungho as them please. I've seen people with nice attitudes and good suggestions get banned just because of a criticism of something that was in the game and how to fix it.