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  1. #1
    Player
    Avatar von Vandso
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    Jun 2022
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    Character
    Pink Perfection
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Hermetiker Lv 100

    Do Tank/Healer LB1 and LB2 need an overhaul?

    I constantly use dps LB1 and 2 in dungeons no matter what dps I am, however I've never seen anyone use healer and tank LB unless it's for memes. Is there a way to make them somewhat usefull?

    Personally I wished that healer LB was always a party wide raise, but limited based on tier (LB3 revives 8 party members, LB2 revives 4, LB1 revives 2).

    Idk what I would do with tank LB tho.
    (1)

  2. #2
    Player
    Avatar von Saraide
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    Jun 2021
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    3.042
    Character
    Saraide Derosa
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Dunkelritter Lv 100
    Tank LB 1 and 2 are used at times. I will also use them in dungeons occasionally if no ranged pops it on a pull. Healer LB 1 and 2 I havent heard being used like ever.
    (3)
    Zitat Zitat von Orinori Beitrag anzeigen
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

  3. #3
    Player
    Avatar von Bsrking5
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    Mar 2018
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    1.018
    Character
    Alpha Lupi
    World
    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Astrologe Lv 90
    Even if 1LB always raised everyone no one would use it anyways. Dps and damage reigns king over all by design of SE by a multiple magnitudes. Only way to make the more useful is to add dps to them in some way. Healer and tank LB are only used when absolutely required.
    (4)

  4. #4
    Player
    Avatar von VeyaAkemi
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    Nov 2022
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    678
    Character
    Veya Akemi
    World
    Marilith
    Main Class
    Tänzer Lv 100
    Tank LB1-2 is sometimes used in BA when somebody messes up Meteor positioning, such as dropping it in the middle of platform, and the LB is used in an attempt to salvage things, frankly the issue is that Tank LB is just a damage mitigation, even LB3 is just a mit but it's a very large mit and also it looks flashy, so to even use correctly it needs coordination, thus mandatory Tank LB sequences, and even with coordination people would always favor not using it if they can get away with not using it cuz it can then be used for damage, and the biggest damage mitigation in the game is the boss being dead, thus, again, mandatory Tank LB sequences.

    The only way to truly fix it would be to make it like PvP and make the LB gauge a personal resource, but that'd mess up every fight that currently has a mandatory Tank LB3 sequence.
    (1)

  5. #5
    Player
    Avatar von Absimiliard
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    Jul 2014
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    2.031
    Character
    Cassius Rex
    World
    Louisoix
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 90
    The least they could do is provide tanks with more opportunities to use their LBs. As it stands now, there are what, like four fights in the entire game that call for it? Five?
    (3)

  6. #6
    Player
    Avatar von TaleraRistain
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    Jun 2015
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    Character
    Thalia Beckford
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Revolverklinge Lv 100
    Zitat Zitat von VeyaAkemi Beitrag anzeigen
    Tank LB1-2 is sometimes used in BA when somebody messes up Meteor positioning, such as dropping it in the middle of platform, and the LB is used in an attempt to salvage things, frankly the issue is that Tank LB is just a damage mitigation, even LB3 is just a mit but it's a very large mit and also it looks flashy, so to even use correctly it needs coordination, thus mandatory Tank LB sequences, and even with coordination people would always favor not using it if they can get away with not using it cuz it can then be used for damage, and the biggest damage mitigation in the game is the boss being dead, thus, again, mandatory Tank LB sequences.

    The only way to truly fix it would be to make it like PvP and make the LB gauge a personal resource, but that'd mess up every fight that currently has a mandatory Tank LB3 sequence.
    They could reconfigure the LB3 to be the same no matter the role with the personal LBs having the differences, but then they would need to determine what makes the personal gauge increase and how powerful should it be.
    (0)

  7. #7
    Player
    Avatar von Avoidy
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    Jun 2020
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    1.259
    Character
    Chadhadai Oronir
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 83
    I like the heal LB idea. If an LB1 brought back 2 dead people without the weakness debuff hindering their damage/dots for the next 100 seconds, then I think it could actually be really underrated. People might dismiss it for not doing immediate damage, but consider the damage lost by ressing those 2 people manually and then having them basically be gimped for 100 seconds, compared to ressing them instantly and having them be back at full capacity and dealing their normal output. Now compare that difference to the total nothingburger that is a dps lb1. It'd obviously only have niche uses in "oh, everybody's dead" dungeon situations, but at least it'd see some use in bad groups that need the extra help by effectively eliminating the downside of death.
    (0)

  8. #8
    Player
    Avatar von Vandso
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    Jun 2022
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    218
    Character
    Pink Perfection
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Hermetiker Lv 100
    Zitat Zitat von Saraide Beitrag anzeigen
    Tank LB 1 and 2 are used at times. I will also use them in dungeons occasionally if no ranged pops it on a pull. Healer LB 1 and 2 I havent heard being used like ever.
    Yeah like, Healer LB2 heals 60% HP of everyone after 2 seconds of cast time, like, why wouldn't I use an AoE heal instead? It's so bad and useless.
    (5)

  9. #9
    Player
    Avatar von ronibosch
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    Jun 2022
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    Character
    Tuul Muluk
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Krieger Lv 90
    Zitat Zitat von Saraide Beitrag anzeigen
    Tank LB 1 and 2 are used at times. I will also use them in dungeons occasionally if no ranged pops it on a pull. Healer LB 1 and 2 I havent heard being used like ever.
    Huh. I might try that out on a pull one day.
    (2)

  10. #10
    Player
    Avatar von Oizen
    Registriert seit
    Oct 2021
    Ort
    playing other games like yoshida intended
    Beiträge
    2.301
    Character
    Alondite Ragnell
    World
    Marilith
    Main Class
    Dunkelritter Lv 100
    The Limit Break system as a whole could use a revamp honestly.
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