How to Restore Confidence in FFXIV

[Saraide]

Yes. The vocal minority give feedback and care about the game and the silent majority quit without feedback, continue their lives and never look at the game again.

The vocal minority are all the developers have to know what would interest the silent leavers and a certain group of players do their best to silence them. Guess which group is better for the health of the product?

Yes, it's a product and SE are a company. Bland praise like they're a single fragile person who needs a confidence boost is entirely worthless.

Yea a lot of silencing is happening around here. It's so silent on this forum. There arent like 15 threads about how the game sucks and what is needed to improve it. Remember when the white knights silenced the big endwalker story complaint thread so it didnt reach 800 pages?

[BRVV]

I feel like a lot of the feedback here also comes from a band of fragile people looking for some sort of commendation for their efforts

Do you need more straw?

Edit: Most critical topics start with a few posts with improvement suggestions, then the "EW was great! You all doom & gloom ****!" crowd walks in. Imho

[Ovenmitts]

Do you need more straw?

Edit: Most critical topics start with a few posts with improvement suggestions, then the "EW was great! You all doom & gloom ****!" crowd walks in. Imho

I was about to thank you for proving my point, but then you edited your post so it’s less tantrumy. Appreciate it!

The number of topics saying “just play other games” full of passive aggression are not feedback by the way. Topics like the best and worst of Endwalker are. I want more topics like that.

[VelKallor]

Sources please.

Start with Aveyonds posts and work forward

I didn't say that.

And yet we have people throwing things at me that i never said. Your point is?

Many others probably also didn't. You seem to reiterate with every new comment that you believe what the majority believes.

Actually no, I have never said that either. So there you go for an example. I said I dont know. I dont. You dont. No one does. I am happy to accept that some things are MY opinion..but they are mine alone. I do not, for example, state that I know what is happening across all servers..I dont. No one does.

Social media?

Word of advice? Get rid of it all..you feel a lot better. I did. Facecrack, Reddit, Twitter..I dont use any of 'em and God, I am glad I dont.

My universe is my eyes and ears..everything else is hearsay - Douglas Adams.

The majority isn't always right.

Nope. Agreed. "A person is smart, people are dumb stupid panicky animals and you know it"- Agent K, Men in Black. Dear Lord..one day, if we ever get the chance, Ill tell you about the time we were running a first aid class, had a simulated accident..the entire class screamed and ran for the door...nearly trampling two children. They say panic is infectious...holy Hell...was it ever.

Also: what if i told you i can log in and still be dissapointed at the state of the game?

Im sorry to hear that. I hope you find things that you enjoy. i do. Others do. But....I dont have any idea what they want or dont want. Its none of my business either way.

Each player is here for their own reasons...tell ya what, Ill tell you what bugs me most about "everyone wants this" or "we all want this to happen"....when that statement comes after not having actually asked ME what i think...I find that unbelievably arrogant and presumptive.

The same goes for all these political polls that say "98% of Australians agree"...no they dont. i've never been called for one of these polls since I was 18 and old enough to enrol for voting....in 1980.

I just turned 61 this year, so you will again forgive me if I, again, take these idiotic polls with the same grain of salt.

[Ovenmitts]

Social media? Word of advice? get rid of it all..you feel a lot better. I did. Facecrack, Reddit, Twitter..I dont use any of 'em and God, I am glad I dont.

Here, here! I tried social media and I just don’t have the attention span for it. I drop it for several months or years at a time because I forget about it. Forums count as social media, by the by. Everything in moderation, I say.

[BRVV]

I was about to thank you for proving my point, but then you edited your post so it’s less tantrumy. Appreciate it!

The number of topics saying “just play other games” full of passive aggression are not feedback by the way. Topics like the best and worst of Endwalker are. I want more topics like that.

Yeah... we are both halfway right here i think. There are meme-ish topic like the "just play other games" but there are also constructive ones like the infamous "What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?" which does have a lot of critique and suggestion or "
The atrocity that was the "In from the Cold" quest ending - *STORY RANT*" or even "Can we consolidate all the Endwalker teleports into a single tab?"



Edit to respond to Vel:

Start with Aveyonds posts and work forward

Not gonna read 10000 comments and try to pin point them to your claims. The point was that YOU expect proof but NEVER provide it yourself.

And yet we have people throwing things at me that i never said. Your point is?

"HE STARTED IT!" - vibes. Also the Bandwagon fallacy. Not a meme btw. If you write & read so much you could read stuff about argumentation.

Actually no, I have never said that either.

That's why i said "it seems like" and also didn't quote you. I was trying to convey what i THINK your INTENTIONS were.

Social media? (...)

Seems unrelated

Im sorry to hear that. I hope you find things that you enjoy.

Thanks. I just hope the story gets better. If not i may become a cutscene skipper. Thankfully i still enjoy parts of FFXIV.

after not having actually asked ME what i think...I find that unbelievably arrogant and presumptive.

I did and you thought it was a quote somehow...

I just turned 61 this year

Congratz stay healthy

[VelKallor]

If you write & read so much you could read stuff about argumentation.

Go study on how to win an argument on the internet???

[kpxmanifesto]

It's a logical fallacy. You are the one who handwaves everything he doesn't like. Are you doing a logical fallacies speedrun?

Ahah, homeboy was going for the Logical Fallacies Speedrun Any%. It's hilarious though, because he's accusing you of something that he's doing himself. It's funny stuff like this that has me coming back to read these threads.

[BRVV]

Go study on how to win an argument on the internet???

Not what i said. I said argumentation. Maybe then you could provide arguments instead of flaming all the time

[CelestiCer]

I try my best to be a little more polite than that, I may just ignore them from now on to be quite honest. It's the best outcome for all, I should think.

Pretty much, lest we do reverse psychology. As in - if we're the Minority, what does that make of the once complaining about the Minority? a Minority of the Minority? :thinking:

Recent posts reminds me of that American Deep-Dish-Pizza thing a while ago where you're a good or bad person for liking it or not. Like life and let live. If its so amazing? Eat on, but don't expect everyone to unanimously like what you like and doesn't critique it.

Being displeased of another group/number of players who don't enjoy Endwalker shouldn't offend them enough to go on a crusade to proof posters wrong on how flawless it is or that they should enjoy the game " or else "... Stay on Topic, note why Endwalker boosts confidence in players rather then bashing opinions for the sake of bashing. You like this / we don't like that / compare - civil discussion and so forth. Although people get their kicks off of arguing everything that's off-topic and we know better to Kink-shame in XIV, mhm.