How to Restore Confidence in FFXIV

[AwesomeJr44]

You were meant to rescue the Red Flight's clutch, not destroy them!

Yeah, but that's not as fun lol

Plus from my point of view the Jed- I mean Red Flight are evil, or something like that.

(is now a good time to admit that I have no idea what the red flight is? lol)

[aveyond-dreams]

Excellent news! The FFXVI media tour is now over. Hopefully now the focus can return to FFXIV.

[aveyond-dreams]

Curious how youtube is no longer convenient to mention by those who choose to be constantly dismissive of those of us who have been sounding the alarm bells now that their beloved content creators have woken up.

[Jeeqbit]

Curious how youtube is no longer convenient to mention by those who choose to be constantly dismissive of those of us who have been sounding the alarm bells now that their beloved content creators have woken up.

The value of content creators, to me, is they often find a more fair and balanced perspective than the majority of the community and have a voice that SE is more likely to listen to. However, they are often veteran players as well and prone to the same veteran player bias that affects many of us on the forums. That bias causes a narrow view of the game that pertains only to the content they are interested in and to forget what it's like to be a new player.

A lot of people who saw the interview about the third step being this way are going to be disappointed though, not just content creators.

The relic steps and lack of a place like Eureka are disappointing. That's fair to say. It's not fair when people are saying "they haven't made any content" because that's not technically true. It's fairer when people say "the content doesn't last long", especially the current relics, or to say that content replacing it is lacking social interaction like Island Sanctuary, Variant dungeons and Duty Support which all involve playing solo.

It's my general understanding that people are still struggling to queue into the latest story trial for Mt. Ordeals and all alliance raids except Crystal Tower across all datacenters. With how lacklustre the moogle rewards are for this patch, I doubt its doing too much to push people to do the NieR raids either.

I do get Mount Ordeals in trial and mentor roulettes a lot. The latest trial as well as max level trials in general have always been difficult to get a queue for. This was a problem with Hades and SoS in the last expansion as well. Why would you queue into a trial roulette at level 90? I do it, but most people who do it are below 90 leveling a job.

[ForteNightshade]

The value of content creators, to me, is they often find a more fair and balanced perspective than the majority of the community and have a voice that SE is more likely to listen to. However, they are often veteran players as well and prone to the same veteran player bias that affects many of us on the forums. That bias causes a narrow view of the game that pertains only to the content they are interested in and to forget what it's like to be a new player.

To be fair, when discussing the lack of content and longevity in the game new players are somewhat irrelevant because their experiences will be biased in a different way, i.e., the game will feel as though it's exploding with content due to them having only just started playing. That's generally why veteran players, be they content creators or a forum/reddit poster will focus on current content releases. A major criticism of FFXIV spanning multiple expansions now has always been content longevity. If you're a veteran player, you typically will run out of things to do long before anything new releases no matter how many breaks you take. Of course, this does depend on individual player time and investment but unless you're playing 2-4 hours a week, there simply isn't enough to last.

It isn't that we forgot what it's like to be a new player but rather it isn't relevant to the discussion.

[Jojoya]

It isn't that we forgot what it's like to be a new player but rather it isn't relevant to the discussion.

I have to disagree that it's not relevant. New players are paying customers just the same as the veteran players. Even if the side content is optional, many new players feel like it's content they have to catch up on because it's there.

The playable part of content this expansion isn't in worse shape than last expansion quantity wise. There have been some changes (such as Deep Dungeon instead of exploration zone, getting Variant/Criterion while the normal trial series got merged into MSQ instead of a separate quest chain, etc.) but we're getting just as much playable content overall.

It sounds more like the quality of the content and/or the rewards making the content less interesting to repeat.

What made Eden more interesting to repeat than Pandaemonium has been?

What made the Sorrows of Werlyt trials more interesting to repeat than Storm's Crown/Mount Ordeals?

It's a lot more difficult to try to compare Bozja/Zadnor versus Eureka Orthos/Si'dihn Subteranne because they're different content types but what kept people going back into the former while they ignore the latter?

Was there other content they were doing in Shadowbringers to fill time that doesn't have an equivalent this expansion, and what was so appealing about it?

[Deo14]

I have to disagree that it's not relevant. New players are paying customers just the same as the veteran players. Even if the side content is optional, many new players feel like it's content they have to catch up on because it's there.

The playable part of content this expansion isn't in worse shape than last expansion quantity wise. There have been some changes (such as Deep Dungeon instead of exploration zone, getting Variant/Criterion while the normal trial series got merged into MSQ instead of a separate quest chain, etc.) but we're getting just as much playable content overall.

It sounds more like the quality of the content and/or the rewards making the content less interesting to repeat.

What made Eden more interesting to repeat than Pandaemonium has been?

What made the Sorrows of Werlyt trials more interesting to repeat than Storm's Crown/Mount Ordeals?

It's a lot more difficult to try to compare Bozja/Zadnor versus Eureka Orthos/Si'dihn Subteranne because they're different content types but what kept people going back into the former while they ignore the latter?

Was there other content they were doing in Shadowbringers to fill time that doesn't have an equivalent this expansion, and what was so appealing about it?

I think comparing SB to EW would be more accurate, since SB had Eureka and DD, while EW has DD and 2 new types of content. Let's give EW small benefit and call HoH and EO equal. I'm not super passionate DD player, but I think HoH > EO, especially since HoH innovated DD, while EO is just HoH V2 without any major innovation. Only big change is dread beasts, but you just one shot it with pom of storm or skip it entirely.

So now that both DDs negate each other, we are left with Eureka vs IS and V&C.

Eureka is 4 maps + Baldesion arsenal. There is multiple new progression systems inside - your elemental level, element attunement, some very rare drops that have special effects inside Eureka and most importantly, logograms for Pyros and up. There is relic weapon progression for all of these maps + relic armor for Anemos (granted it's just dyeable artifact armor) and brand new relic armor sets for Pyros, Hydatos and BA. There are also that special chestpieces that give elemental bonus, which are still costy today. You can still sell logos for pretty good profit, too.

As for EW, there is IS, which, let's be real, is just excel simulator, everything on the island is there just to fuel the workshop. You can leisurely get max rank while playing 20-30 minutes per day for 2 weeks, after that, content is finished and you're left with checking out your island for 3 minutes per week. All the while entire content is barely connected to the main game.

Then V&C, which is great but has no incentives to run it again. There isn't really a progression, even though it has system similar to logos/lost actions. There is only 5 very basic, bland spells. Jump from variant to ASS is too big, which is shame since there is lack of content in between normal and EX/Savage content. But there is still benefit of doubt, since there should be 2 more dungeons released and rewards should be improved according to last LL. Whether that means more materia and one time rewards remains to be seen.

So I'm not going tell you that you are wrong for enjoying EW (unlike some people in here who try to convince me that I hate this game). If you don't play much I can see people enjoying simple one and done content like IS and V&C more than Eureka, but if you want to play more than 2 weeks per patch, then I think past expansions are much better for that.

[Theodric]

It's interesting how certain posters try to present anyone providing criticism as some sort of 'hater' when their own post history consists solely of attempts to dismiss absolutely any feedback whatsoever. It doesn't matter if it's to do with the story, the combat system, the UI, this very site or anything else. Somehow there's this mythical 'majority' that are absolutely fine with it all to the point where any change whatsoever is dismissed.

Furthermore, the free login campaign is a thing - so that can readily explain returning posters to some extent.

[VelKallor]

Somehow there's this mythical 'majority' that are absolutely fine with it all to the point where any change whatsoever is dismissed.

Actually, when I look at the massive negativity and doomsaying here, i am reminded that misery loves company.

Theodric: look at it this way: this small band of permanently angry and bitter malcontents in this forum dont represent more than a fraction of a fraction of one percent of ONE servers population..so in that aspect, there IS a huge majority that dont care for, dont share in and CERTAINLY dont listen to the constant whining we see here.

They are too busy ingame enjoying themselves..how this is news to anyone surprises me.

Oh I saw that little gif above..and yes, mate, hate to tell you this....you ARE in the minority. If you took this lot's attitude to heart, you'd think that the game is on its last legs, dying, owing to the "lack of vision" or the "inability to listen to feedback" and "people are leaving in droves". No.

They arent. Yes the population ebbs and flows as it has done for years, again this is hardly new. Im having fun. Sorry to hear others arent...but again, as has been said, some of them will never be happy, regardless.

Note here on Aveyond's "ideas"..has anyone else ever noticed the missing word from his screeds...the words "I could be wrong?" When someone isnt prepared to accept that they arent speaking ex cathedra, when they arent ready...or willing....to admit error, thats an indication one should be rightly skeptical of such "pronouncements". People put way too much faith into oracles.

"Yoshi is too busy on FF 16"

FF 16 is done, finished, ready to ship minus marketing..incidentally, project managers can and do supervise MULTIPLE projects, so this claim that "FF 16 took all their attention away, and that is the cause of all our woes"..has never considered that one can multitask , do more than one thing at a time?

Streamers? Like Asmongold?

The guy who decried Blizzards track record of how they treat their staff....yet doesnt have the conviction of his own principles, of conscience, to do what others have done and stop supporting them, stop buying their products? When they put their money where their mouth is..then Ill listen to them. I see it this way: if you keep buying their products, you are supporting them and by that means, approving of what they do. You endorse their policies and practices.

If you disapprove? Vote with your wallet. I did.

Streamers follow the money, they always have, they always will. Twitch streamers more so, as to them Twitch is an income source.

The game is not on its last legs, the sky isnt falling, the world of Eorzea isnt coming to an end. Not for a very very long time. Im here for the duration and having a blast. What you do? Is not my concern.

No game is perfect, none will ever be, the plain truth is somewhere, someone is always going to be unhappy.

[AwesomeJr44]

i am reminded that misery loves company.

Is THAT why you're always so angry? It all makes sense now. Vel just wanted a friend.