Mandeville Weapons will likely remain the same come 6.45 (Yoshida interview)

[TaleraRistain]

Genuine question, what would you guys even want to do for relic anyways?

If its just running dungeons then i really doubt why the hell you prefer that over [your choice here you find fun] instead

i can do pvp or frontlines and get the stuff i need that way, i i have to do old expac alliance raids id scream.

The book step in ARR has some issues but one thing it got right was how that step touched different pieces of content. If each step of a relic was a bit more like WT type of system where you have a choice over different pieces of content to get MacGuffin A and then another choice over these pieces of content to get MacGuffin B, then I think there would still be that sense of earning the relic while also not limiting players to just one or two specific things to grind. Someone could still say "Hey this is the best risk/reward for me" and grind out one thing, but it's a conscious choice then like how people find what they like for Moogle tomes instead of SE choosing for us.

[4clubbedace]

The book step in ARR has some issues but one thing it got right was how that step touched different pieces of content. If each step of a relic was a bit more like WT type of system where you have a choice over different pieces of content to get MacGuffin A and then another choice over these pieces of content to get MacGuffin B, then I think there would still be that sense of earning the relic while also not limiting players to just one or two specific things to grind. Someone could still say "Hey this is the best risk/reward for me" and grind out one thing, but it's a conscious choice then like how people find what they like for Moogle tomes instead of SE choosing for us.

if its just farming a wide variety of content like with moogle tomes, then isnt that just what it is now?

Instead of an item to farm or %chance farm just use the tomes you get from said variety of content anyways? It doesnt seem signifigant enough to want that over what we have now when they are in the end the same thing with less middle man

[rainichan]

I can only hope the backlash from EW's relics results in them going the FFXI route in 7.0. An excessively lengthy, costly, and difficult grind rewarded with incredibly powerful equipment is the way to go.

Man, I remember the ARR Zeta grind and people complaining it was too much and XI players going "This is nothing" lmao. We're coming full circle, going from "it's too grindy" to "it's not grindy enough" now and people asking for it to be more of a grind again... devs really can't win here. "It's too grindy and hard to get my weapon" for 4 xpacs and so now that it's "FINE, IS THIS TOO GRINDY???" it's not enough, but they also didn't have to go full scorched earth, so to speak.

They do need to find a balance though; I think Bozja was a great balance between grinding and having multiple ways to get item drops, but tbf, "more of the same" doesn't necessarily mean "it's going to be another 1500 tomes" (please don't prove me wrong devs, I would also like something else, especially when the talk of EW relics was "it'll be more like the ARR relic in terms of getting it" had me interested in the how) but... we'll see in 3-ish months I suppose. Talking about it so early is just going to get people speculating for much too long about the how and why of what it's going to be, and people are only going to get more angry about it despite not knowing anything but something vague.

[Padudu]

I can't believe people still defend the lack of content this expansion lol

[TaleraRistain]

if its just farming a wide variety of content like with moogle tomes, then isnt that just what it is now?

Instead of an item to farm or %chance farm just use the tomes you get from said variety of content anyways? It doesnt seem signifigant enough to want that over what we have now when they are in the end the same thing with less middle man

The difference with a moogle tome system is that you do still have a make a choice to focus on something specific. I think it's that choice part that's important and makes it feel earned. I do enjoy relic steps that allow you to passively get upgrades from daily activities like back in ARR with the daily alexandrite map quest. But it's also nice to have the ones that do point you at a handful of options and let you choose. Plus there's the camaraderie of finding others on that journey and continuing to run into them and cheering each other on.

[DixieBellOCE]

if its just farming a wide variety of content like with moogle tomes, then isnt that just what it is now?

Instead of an item to farm or %chance farm just use the tomes you get from said variety of content anyways? It doesnt seem signifigant enough to want that over what we have now when they are in the end the same thing with less middle man

Most likely just play the same roulettes you have been doing for the last X years of this expansion.

Surely your not bored of doing the same dungeons for almost 2 years, right?

[TowaIsBestGirl]

It should cost tomestones of comedy instead of causality, it would fit perfectly with the questline surrounding it, or with the absolute state of the relic for that matter.

The Burn (Savage)

This is the best way to share your criticism imo. Vote with your wallet, it's really the only thing that will matter in the end.

[TheGrimace]

This is unacceptable. I'm not surprised, but I'm still disappointed. It really IS just an easier-to-obtain tome weapon now- don't even need the 7 Rowena tokens, and it uses the easier to obtain tomestones. This was a problem with the last two, and I was hoping that it would change later on, but... enough's enough. This is a terrible decision.

[Remish]

Man, I remember the ARR Zeta grind and people complaining it was too much and XI players going "This is nothing" lmao. We're coming full circle, going from "it's too grindy" to "it's not grindy enough" now and people asking for it to be more of a grind again... devs really can't win here. "It's too grindy and hard to get my weapon" for 4 xpacs and so now that it's "FINE, IS THIS TOO GRINDY???" it's not enough, but they also didn't have to go full scorched earth, so to speak.

They do need to find a balance though; I think Bozja was a great balance between grinding and having multiple ways to get item drops, but tbf, "more of the same" doesn't necessarily mean "it's going to be another 1500 tomes" (please don't prove me wrong devs, I would also like something else, especially when the talk of EW relics was "it'll be more like the ARR relic in terms of getting it" had me interested in the how) but... we'll see in 3-ish months I suppose. Talking about it so early is just going to get people speculating for much too long about the how and why of what it's going to be, and people are only going to get more angry about it despite not knowing anything but something vague.

Bozja was great during it's peak. Late in the expansion after people were phasing out and especially now if people want to go back and grind it, it's a pain the ass and extremely difficult since it relied on others. These exploration zones would probably be better if every activity within could be done solo in every possible way.

[Shougun]

Bozja was great during it's peak. Late in the expansion after people were phasing out and especially now if people want to go back and grind it, it's a pain the ass and extremely difficult since it relied on others. These exploration zones would probably be better if every activity within could be done solo in every possible way.

Definitely imo, although I feel they could present an interesting content for blue mage (and with the auto buff system may mean solo-able just by letting them in).

If progress on relics can be done with blue mage, could be a fun thing to do and potentially learn skills from.