Thread: Relic News - 6.45

Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

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Totally agree! The devs are so thoughtful and inclusive, they balanced it so we can still finish the story with a severe degenerative cognitive disease. And they don't add things that might surprise or scare us; we can take as much time off as we want and trust that the familiar anachronistic gameplay will still be waiting for us when we return like a warm blanket. <3

I prefer being able to do whatever I want to earn it. I always hated it when it was super convaluted for no reason. Like having to spam x until you never want to touch it again is so regressive. But I can see how this will occupy people for short periods of time. Even if it was capped tomes that only drags it out for 4 weeks. I get it you wanted more. I'm happy for the convenience of it.

hope you enjoy the same roulettes every day cause that is the only content for the next year

Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

This is what a lot of people fail to realize. Most complaints are from people who still genuinely the game at least in one arena or another. They're voicing criticising in hopes of invoking changes no matter how much copium they may be huffing. Speaking for myself, the day I stop posting about the game, be it hear or elsewhere is the day I've stopped caring.

Yeah. I pour my dreams into this game because these people are capable of making them happen. I know Square-Enix can do better than this. If we just... send our collective hopes and prayers out into the aether, mayhap they will stop coasting on the 2013 gameplay loop and show us a new XIV.

We're told that the Developers (etc) read the Official Forums and subreddit and stuff, so I do try to pop up here occasionally to add my thoughts to topics that are important to me. This is definitely one of them.

This is so wildly disappointing to me. The current design decisions seem to be focused on making the game as hyper casual as possible (outside of like, Ultimates?), and while that's generally fine, when it comes to content like Relics it just makes the expansion feel so empty? Objectively of course, it isn't -- we've gotten Orthos, Criterion, Island Sanctuary, quality of life adjustments, so on and so forth; but for the most part much of the playable content added has been one and done. I understand -- and don't even necessarily disagree with -- the idea to make the Relic be achieved in an alternate easier way like what's happening now, but it shouldn't be the only way; it should be a supplementary way for largely casual players to tome dump. It truly and genuinely feels like the Developers got so tired of being criticized for any type of Relic Grind that they just kind of threw their hands in the air and spitefully said "okay fine, we'll make it easier -- we'll basically make it free" because they were out of ideas and did not know what to do.

I always see in threads like these some folks who immediately come to the defense of the developers and the game by saying "well, they've said you should take a break and go play other games", and it's frustrating. They say that, but then if I do, my House gets demolished, and if you live on a highly populated server or have a M or L plot -- good luck getting that back. Even outside of the House thing I want to play the game, but this expansion isn't giving me many reasons to actually play the game. There's not much content to do at level 90 that is around mid-core that you can easily drop in play some of, leave, and pick back up later.

I'm hoping (see: coping) things change in 7.0 but I'm concerned they won't because we'll be told that so many resources were spent on the graphical updates, so to wait to 8.0; but regardless I wanted to add my voice to the chorus of others who have also been expressing their discontent by this decision in this thread and the other one.

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Yeah I completely get the idea behind this for why theyre just sticking with tomestone grinds.



But relics are specific grinds, none of the previous steps were necessarily hard to do (cept that one step in the ARR grind which required you to either craft a mat or buy it at a high price in MB) so it was all relatively doable content.

The idea for grinds is to keep certain content relevant and the fact that theyre just making an easy bypass with this philosophy is not the way this should be handled. This is ridiculous and honestly one of the biggest Ls I cant defend.

I always viewed the relic quests as a classic adventure where the relic is only part of the reward. I will always remember the 2.0 relic, yes it was hard but wow, it was such a journey.

Now, with the maintenance crew running the game, all we get us a show up to the vendor, turn in our capped tomes and see you in 4 months.

I’m at the point where I am giving up on 6.x and hoping that 7.0+ is something good, and if it’s not, well, all good things…

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Well. So much for "6.45's relic step will be the real grind!" congrats to those who'd rather farm tomestones instead of having actual relic content like Delubrum Reginae or Exploratory Zones that gave other rewards to grind for and things to do.

It's clear to me that those of us who wanted a more involved process are not simply not being listened to, but actively ignored.

Enjoy your Manderville Relics - if they can even be called relics at this point.

unless its tied to new content like the explore zones or this case, deep dungeons, or variant

then i actually prefer it this way.

If im going to be running meaningless shit from past expansion at least let me do it in ways i find fun, i dont find old dungeons or normal raids fun at all.

While this is definitely on the easier side of relics we have done, I don't think making an exploratory zone is mandatory to make something a grind, after all people still complain about the ARR relic and it has no such thing tied to it. Also let's be honest here, if they did add another Exploratory this time people would be complaining about it just the same, there is no pleasing everyone and that's just the way it is.