Thread: Relic News - 6.45

We're told that the Developers (etc) read the Official Forums and subreddit and stuff, so I do try to pop up here occasionally to add my thoughts to topics that are important to me. This is definitely one of them.

This is so wildly disappointing to me. The current design decisions seem to be focused on making the game as hyper casual as possible (outside of like, Ultimates?), and while that's generally fine, when it comes to content like Relics it just makes the expansion feel so empty? Objectively of course, it isn't -- we've gotten Orthos, Criterion, Island Sanctuary, quality of life adjustments, so on and so forth; but for the most part much of the playable content added has been one and done. I understand -- and don't even necessarily disagree with -- the idea to make the Relic be achieved in an alternate easier way like what's happening now, but it shouldn't be the only way; it should be a supplementary way for largely casual players to tome dump. It truly and genuinely feels like the Developers got so tired of being criticized for any type of Relic Grind that they just kind of threw their hands in the air and spitefully said "okay fine, we'll make it easier -- we'll basically make it free" because they were out of ideas and did not know what to do.

I always see in threads like these some folks who immediately come to the defense of the developers and the game by saying "well, they've said you should take a break and go play other games", and it's frustrating. They say that, but then if I do, my House gets demolished, and if you live on a highly populated server or have a M or L plot -- good luck getting that back. Even outside of the House thing I want to play the game, but this expansion isn't giving me many reasons to actually play the game. There's not much content to do at level 90 that is around mid-core that you can easily drop in play some of, leave, and pick back up later.

I'm hoping (see: coping) things change in 7.0 but I'm concerned they won't because we'll be told that so many resources were spent on the graphical updates, so to wait to 8.0; but regardless I wanted to add my voice to the chorus of others who have also been expressing their discontent by this decision in this thread and the other one.

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Yeah I completely get the idea behind this for why theyre just sticking with tomestone grinds.



But relics are specific grinds, none of the previous steps were necessarily hard to do (cept that one step in the ARR grind which required you to either craft a mat or buy it at a high price in MB) so it was all relatively doable content.

The idea for grinds is to keep certain content relevant and the fact that theyre just making an easy bypass with this philosophy is not the way this should be handled. This is ridiculous and honestly one of the biggest Ls I cant defend.

I always viewed the relic quests as a classic adventure where the relic is only part of the reward. I will always remember the 2.0 relic, yes it was hard but wow, it was such a journey.

Now, with the maintenance crew running the game, all we get us a show up to the vendor, turn in our capped tomes and see you in 4 months.

I’m at the point where I am giving up on 6.x and hoping that 7.0+ is something good, and if it’s not, well, all good things…

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Well. So much for "6.45's relic step will be the real grind!" congrats to those who'd rather farm tomestones instead of having actual relic content like Delubrum Reginae or Exploratory Zones that gave other rewards to grind for and things to do.

It's clear to me that those of us who wanted a more involved process are not simply not being listened to, but actively ignored.

Enjoy your Manderville Relics - if they can even be called relics at this point.

unless its tied to new content like the explore zones or this case, deep dungeons, or variant

then i actually prefer it this way.

If im going to be running meaningless shit from past expansion at least let me do it in ways i find fun, i dont find old dungeons or normal raids fun at all.

While this is definitely on the easier side of relics we have done, I don't think making an exploratory zone is mandatory to make something a grind, after all people still complain about the ARR relic and it has no such thing tied to it. Also let's be honest here, if they did add another Exploratory this time people would be complaining about it just the same, there is no pleasing everyone and that's just the way it is.

Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

"it's only alpha guys"
"its only beta guys"
"its only release guys"
"its only x.5 guys"
etc

"They won't remember in next expansion anyway."



/uj

I wish the manderville weapons were the ones that players submitted instead of this "theme" that I don't know where it fits. What decides if they have blue glow or red glow? They don't feel like Manderville relics.

Originally Posted by Ath192

Well don't rush any of this because you'll run out of stuff to do in a day tops. GL tho!

What do you mean? You're confusing me with someone who has the kind of time to burn through the game's content in a day, and is the exact opposite of someone who is hard to please, and easy to disappoint and bore. I will never run out of things to do in the game because I always discover ways to find value in replaying the content I've cleared, and slow down my progress.

As an example. For Rubicante EX I didn't want to just follow the damage dorito around to deal with Purgation. I wanted to be the dorito responsible for keeping everyone safe. So I studied those six patterns until the cows came home and made my own guide to it instead of resorting to YouTube. For Sophia EX, I wanted to clear her with each job I have at 90, and won't go into a clear party as a job I have not cleared her with. So I'm always in the practice groups. Things like Island Sanctuary and shared fates are treated in the same likeness.

A huge issue with players, especially among the younger generation is the frequent need for instant gratification. You take content that required months of development and devour it within hours and immediately begin asking for more. This is not a dev problem. This is a you problem. There's no way one game can keep up with such savage appetites. Yoshi knows this, and is likely a big reason why he said go play something else for a time, and then come back.

If the relic weapon was more worthwhile and horizontal as far as its power goes, I would agree with the rest of you about making it more grind because that effort would be worth the time put in. As it is now, it is not that way. It isn't horizontal or even vertical. It's filler. It's a glamour. A mindless grindfest for that? Hard pass.

My main issue with ffxiv(other than its dull combat) is that most things are too easy to achieve and the things that aren't are exceedingly difficult (the astrope mount being a good example for me). Not every game needs to be grindy but here I feel like things just don't feel rewarding, there should be a middle ground. It's a shame that the dev team insist on creating short lived content by going this route. Casuals won't die if they have to spend more time to get something special, and I say that as a very casual player myself, my main content is housing.

Someone said earlier in one of these posts that FFXIV is designed as a single player game and things should be tradeable(sorry, not gonna look for it again to quote) - I fully agree. If they don't want to force players into a specific grind, let some or all of the mats required to complete a grind tradeable, so they can work on it by other means and those who enjoy said grind can profit because of it.