Thread: Relic News - 6.45

Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

And how exactly is the game going to get better if you people keep saying "just quit" or "just take a break" to EVERY. SINGLE. COMPLAINT. about lack of content ??

WoW had a large exodus of people and now apparently dragon flight is fun. If enough people stop playing during certain releases, it's likely the company takes notice and tries to resolve whatever the thing was causing those dropped subs. At least that's the way I see it. But also, I don't tie some part of myself to this game that needs it to be better. It's a game and while it's fun I will play it. When it eventually stops being fun I will leave. If the game doesn't show me something that's fun to come back to I won't. I don't really care if it dies from dropped subs either way.

Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

The simple part that a lot of the posters here don't realize, is long lasting content does not have to be hard content.
It just has to be something that keeps players engaged with the game.

Nobody is saying lock Relics behind savage, they are just asking for 'something' that isn't the same boring daily grind they have been on for well over a year now.

I've always had the mindset that relics were there to not be the greatest weapon, but more of a trophy for putting in the effort to complete the content that came with it.
But with the current direction, that trophy has just become something of spite, due to the lack of care the developers have shown towards the content released this expansion.

The saving grace for this expansion for me personally, were the gathering relics (and hopefully the future steps of them). It asked you to complete some basic objectives, that were not hard, it just required a time sink, which is basically what all relics were.
Those small grinds to achieve the relic filled in the gaps nicely between roulettes and raids, and other content in the game. It was just something laid back, that rewarded you for your time.

I'm not sure if this was a response to my post, or if you just used it as a jumping off point to talk about something, but I don't think long lasting content has to be hard either.

What I'm saying is that I don't think the design direction for this game includes much long form content.

IMO, their long form content for this expansion was Island Sanctuary, so since they already had one, they didn't want to put in another in the form of a big relic grind.

Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

you know what's funny?

y'all whined about A Realm Reborn Zeta relics being grindy
y'all whined about Heavensward Anima weapons being grindy
y'all whined about Stormblood Eureka weapons being grindy
y'all whined about Shadowbringers Bozja weapons being grindy.


they decide this time around they'll just make it a consistent "earn X amount of tomestones to buy the upgrade materials" and surprise, surprise, y'all whine about that too.

no matter what they do some of y'all are never happy and you're going to be what causes the devs to stop engaging with the community because your perpetually unhappy asses are never satisfied with what they give you.

Who is "y'all"? There are many different individuals in this community with many different perspectives and desires. Are you telling me they are giving up just because they can't please everyone? If that's the case, they should just quit now because that'll never happen in any piece of content and only make things worse.

Originally Posted by Jojoya

Depends on who you talk to. A couple of my friends who consider themselves "WoW mains" are already back to FFXIV. They had fun for a couple of months but then got bored with Dragonflight.

I think what we're encountering is the door swinging both ways. Players who spent years only playing FFXIV are giving WoW a try and finding it fun because there is so much there to do that is effectively new to them. Players who spent years only playing WoW are giving FFXIV a try and finding it fun because there is so much to do that is effectively new to them.

It's not a bad thing for players to be playing both. The gaming industry in general would be better off without the rabid tribalism that some players engage in.

Wholly agree. And if people are having fun in either or other games then that's what matters. If people came back to WoW for dragonflight then left when they got bored that's also ok.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Eureka is a big part of what made Stormblood great, along with the trials and raids and story.
Bozja and Ishgard Restoration is a big part of what made Shadowbringers great, along with the trials and raids and story.
??? is a big part of what made Endwalker great, along with the trials and raids and story.

That's kinda the problem with not having a relic zone. Island Sanctuary and V&C haven't really made up for it in the sort of large scale social experience that the other examples had. Island Sanctuary is solo content and V&C is either solo or 4-person content.

Problem with the large scale social experience is that they die after the majority has what they want from it. I've been hitting Eureka had for relics and there's usually 1, maybe 2 instances if one gets locked and they're lucky to get 30 people in them. Maybe Hydatos gets more with BA. I haven't been there when that is going on yet. IS and V&C need less people to tackle them so (whatever people think of the rewards) they're designed with future-proofing in mind. Whereas with Eureka and Bozja it was toss the Echo on them and call it a day. If Bozja even has that. I haven't been in there in a couple of weeks and didn't notice but did notice it was a pain in the ass to do anything to gain mettle there because people aren't grouping up to kill mobs and almost nobody is doing FATEs.

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Remember what was lost.

That content is still there. It was never lost.

Here's an interesting question: was Bozja/Zadnor created solely as a home for the relic grind, or was the relic grind attached to Bozja/Zadnor in an attempt to get more players to try the exploratory zone that was being added to the game regardless?

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Remember what was lost.

I'd rather a manderville quest then deal with all the busy work in that screen shot.