Thread: Relic News - 6.45

Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

you know what's funny?

y'all whined about A Realm Reborn Zeta relics being grindy
y'all whined about Heavensward Anima weapons being grindy
y'all whined about Stormblood Eureka weapons being grindy
y'all whined about Shadowbringers Bozja weapons being grindy.


they decide this time around they'll just make it a consistent "earn X amount of tomestones to buy the upgrade materials" and surprise, surprise, y'all whine about that too.

no matter what they do some of y'all are never happy and you're going to be what causes the devs to stop engaging with the community because your perpetually unhappy asses are never satisfied with what they give you.

In all likelihood that's different groups of people. As is normally the case, people complain on the forums when unhappy, but rarely do they come here to celebrate and if they do, those posts generally don't gain the traction the negative ones do.

Fact is, there will always be a group unhappy with any one particular design choice.

My gripe, being that 1500 tomestones is lazy lazy lazy design.

Originally Posted by DayHealer

Agreed. 750 tomestones per step could be a nice compromise. If maybe they changed them to Poetics could be perfect, tomestones of Astronomy are hard to get.

Yeah, 750 poetics per relics would be good too.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Eureka is a big part of what made Stormblood great, along with the trials and raids and story.
Bozja and Ishgard Restoration is a big part of what made Shadowbringers great, along with the trials and raids and story.
??? is a big part of what made Endwalker great, along with the trials and raids and story.

That's kinda the problem with not having a relic zone. Island Sanctuary and V&C haven't really made up for it in the sort of large scale social experience that the other examples had. Island Sanctuary is solo content and V&C is either solo or 4-person content.

Problem with the large scale social experience is that they die after the majority has what they want from it. I've been hitting Eureka had for relics and there's usually 1, maybe 2 instances if one gets locked and they're lucky to get 30 people in them. Maybe Hydatos gets more with BA. I haven't been there when that is going on yet. IS and V&C need less people to tackle them so (whatever people think of the rewards) they're designed with future-proofing in mind. Whereas with Eureka and Bozja it was toss the Echo on them and call it a day. If Bozja even has that. I haven't been in there in a couple of weeks and didn't notice but did notice it was a pain in the ass to do anything to gain mettle there because people aren't grouping up to kill mobs and almost nobody is doing FATEs.

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Remember what was lost.

That content is still there. It was never lost.

Here's an interesting question: was Bozja/Zadnor created solely as a home for the relic grind, or was the relic grind attached to Bozja/Zadnor in an attempt to get more players to try the exploratory zone that was being added to the game regardless?

Originally Posted by Jojoya

Here's an interesting question: was Bozja/Zadnor created solely as a home for the relic grind, or was the relic grind attached to Bozja/Zadnor in an attempt to get more players to try the exploratory zone that was being added to the game regardless?

The answer to that question would not change what Bozja as a whole was: a hotspot of content that gave a player many reasons to come back after completing its story. You can criticize it (it's far from what I would call perfect, the lack of futureproofing for things like CLL or Delubrum definitely hurt engagement and made it difficult for new players to complete it. I certainly didn't like how Bozja handled relics either.) or even dislike it, but nothing introduced in EW so far has been able to compare to its standard.

The fact that it has so much content packed into it despite being made at the height of the pandemic speaks volumes of what the dev team is capable of, which is why things like V/C dungeons, Island Sanctuary and Orthos are even more disappointing to me.

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Remember what was lost.

I'd rather a manderville quest then deal with all the busy work in that screen shot.

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Remember what was lost.

True but lets be real. It was the ONLY lasting content in the entirety of Shallowbringers. I'll admit that yes, it had a lot but that was just it. And guess what? People still complained anyway.

While with EW at the very friggin least, they're adding some new stuff that we havent had in this game before. It just turns out that they're investments for the long run. I'd hold my tongue till we give it a couple of years before we can look back and properly review whether it was worth it or not (in regard to IS and Variant/Criterion).

If not, then I 100% give you permission to slap my face and brag and nag with a huge fat "I told you so". Because thats honestly the attitude you usually seem to be doing anyway.

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

True but lets be real. It was the ONLY lasting content in the entirety of Shallowbringers. I'll admit that yes, it had a lot but that was just it. And guess what? People still complained anyway.

While with EW at the very friggin least, they're adding some new stuff that we havent had in this game before. It just turns out that they're investments for the long run. I'd hold my tongue till we give it a couple of years before we can look back and properly review whether it was worth it or not (in regard to IS and Variant/Criterion).

If not, then I 100% give you permission to slap my face and brag and nag with a huge fat "I told you so". Because thats honestly the attitude you usually seem to be doing anyway.

It's also really hard to go back now and complete some of it alone.