I don't want to see any of the other Scions in 7.0.

[hunkygladiator]

They have finished their character progression, and at this point half of them have been through so many fake-out deaths that it's no longer believable that any of them would go through any major consequences. Even Y'shtola's blindness barely seemed to inconvenience her.

Krile, for now, has only been used a plot device so far and is practically a blank piece of paper. But the other Scions need to retire. If we're going to go through 7.0 with G'raha Tia it just confirms that Square Enix has utterly lost any willingness to write a good story; they just want to write a good fanfiction.

The best stories in video gaming and literature in general do not make you fanboy or fangirl over the characters. Good stories have always presented flawed characters who have conflict with each other and go through consequences. If Square Enix is serious about maintaining FF14's status as having the best story in an MMO (and this is debatable at this point), they should be serious about writing a good story independently of whether fans will cry if they don't get to see their bodypillow character join the WoL on their journey in 7.0.

Also, we don't need anyone to die necessarily in 7.0, but we really need to stop having moments such as In From the Cold that builds up all this tension and raises the stakes only to turn the valve to release it with a fart.

This is one of the few cases where they need to ignore fan complaints if a character dies and whatnot.

[Oizen]

Considering that ShB had good moments to permanently get rid of Thancred and Graha but they chose to keep them around, but then gave them nothing to do in Endwalker should tell you what to expect from the story going forward.

[Sheriyana]

I didn't want to see any of them past 6.0. We were promised a new start. Why go through the trouble of disbanding the Scions if we're just going to have the same cast anyway? I just can't get over how stupid that is. They made it such a big deal that everyone is going their own way to do their thing and then we see them again like 5 minutes later, like what.

[Chie_M]

Agreed. We're (that is to say, those of us who agree with the OP) all sick of different Scions. Personally, the only ones I can still tolerate at this stage are Urianger and Estinien. I'm sick of the twins, who are repeatedly treated as adults and are insufferable both alone and together. I'm sick of Y'shtola, whose blindness only exists when the plot calls for it, and who is running out her nine lives so quickly that it's become boring. I'm sick of Thancred, who I think would be better served working on a way to get back to the First, and who keeps taking subterfuge roles - it's my opinion that at this point we should have a Bozjan Hrothgar as our subterfuge Scion.

Though she's a divisive character, Lyse has been handled well and in my opinion, she's a good example of appropriately retiring a Scion. She's still around when the story calls for it, but when her arc 'finished', she stop being one of the main cast. Of course, by now I'm so soured on, say, Y'shtola that I'd prefer her to just be killed off. Alas, the game's Supreme Waifu is never going to be killed. So instead we're stuck with someone whose only real 'weakness' is rarely mentioned or developed upon, and who has the personality of wet cardboard.

[hunkygladiator]

Considering that ShB had good moments to permanently get rid of Thancred and Graha but they chose to keep them around, but then gave them nothing to do in Endwalker should tell you what to expect from the story going forward.

They seriously need to ignore the G'raha Tia fanboy/fangirls. G'raha Tia's personality was bland since ShB. The cringiest solo duty was the Lv78 solo duty where you walk halfway across Kholusia and listen to the Crystal Exarch fanboy over the WoL for 10 minutes. Being a fanboy of the WoL and having your life goal be to adventure by their side is quite possibly the most pathetic life goal you could have. Does he even have his own identity? If they just got rid of the fanboy personality part of G'raha Tia and just expanded on his playful and adventurous personality from ARR that would be far better. Right now I'm just completely soured on him.

It's really sad that they caved in to fan pressure to not kill off G'raha Tia in 5.3. They prepared two scripts, one where he was killed and one where he wasn't, and decided to go with the latter because at that point G'raha Tia amassed a legion of fanboys and fangirls. These fans are holding the story back.

And you're probably right, unfortunately. Apparently JP throws a tantrum every time a fan favorite dies. When Yoshi P said that the forums were too toxic, they were talking about the JP forums, not us. They really, really should just ignore the JP forums.

[Chie_M]

They seriously need to ignore the G'raha Tia fanboy/fangirls. G'raha Tia's personality was bland since ShB. The cringiest solo duty was the Lv78 solo duty where you walk halfway across Kholusia and listen to the Crystal Exarch fanboy over the WoL for 10 minutes. Being a fanboy of the WoL and having your life goal be to adventure by their side is quite possibly the most pathetic life goal you could have. Does he even have his own identity?

It's really sad that they caved in to fan pressure to not kill off G'raha Tia in 5.3. They prepared two scripts, one where he was killed and one where he wasn't, and decided to go with the latter because at that point G'raha Tia amassed a legion of fanboys and fangirls. These fans are holding the story back.

Waking G'raha up was a mistake.

[hunkygladiator]

I didn't want to see any of them past 6.0. We were promised a new start. Why go through the trouble of disbanding the Scions if we're just going to have the same cast anyway? I just can't get over how stupid that is. They made it such a big deal that everyone is going their own way to do their thing and then we see them again like 5 minutes later, like what.

LMAO true

Agreed. We're all sick of different Scions. Personally, the only ones I can still tolerate at this stage are Urianger and Estinien. I'm sick of the twins, who are repeatedly treated as adults and are insufferable both alone and together. I'm sick of Y'shtola, whose blindness only exists when the plot calls for it, and who is running out her nine lives so quickly that it's become boring. I'm sick of Thancred, who I think would be better served working on a way to get back to the First, and who keeps taking subterfuge roles - it's my opinion that at this point we should have a Bozjan Hrothgar as our subterfuge Scion.

Though she's a divisive character, Lyse has been handled well and in my opinion, she's a good example of appropriately retiring a Scion. She's still around when the story calls for it, but when her arc 'finished', she stop being one of the main cast. Of course, by now I'm so soured on, say, Y'shtola that I'd prefer her to just be killed off. Alas, the game's Supreme Waifu is never going to be killed. So instead we're stuck with someone whose only real 'weakness' is rarely mentioned or developed upon, and who has the personality of wet cardboard.

Really good point about Lyse. Lyse was a joke character before 3.5, and was kind of a generic liberator personality in 4.0, but her character absolutely did not overstay the welcome. Not every character has to be some 9257 shades of grey with every nuance shoved in. Her character arc was simple, but it was effective, and it did not drag on.

It would also really be nice if 7.0 does not introduce characters that serve as a vehicle for delivering lectures on morals and ethics to the villain.

[DixieBellOCE]

Waking G'raha up was a mistake.

The thing is, Graha does tie in well with the Krile storyline.

I'm fine with keeping him around so long as the other scions (Especially Alphi/Ali get the hell out of the story).

[Theodric]

G'raha in particular is obnoxious because he was written to suddenly make large swathes of the story revolve around him, specifically. I remember my interest in the remnants of the Allagan Empire being largely linked to the fact that the Garleans looked to it in order to improve their magitek - something which strangely vanished as a plot thread altogether despite it making perfect sense in the narrative for the surviving Garleans to see if they can't find any lost technology that might improve their current predicament.

Instead of something like that we get 'adventure' after 'adventure' with a character who, quite honestly, would receive a restraining order from a decent amount of people for his unwanted clinginess. Most RPG's have the decency to allow the player to choose if they want that sort of character acting like that around them.

As for the other Scions, I'd like at least one or two to be killed or retired over time - to better allow new characters to arrive and shine who do not immediately become clones of the existing Scions in terms of their personality, morality and beliefs. Variety is the spice of life, after all.

[Chie_M]

The thing is, Graha does tie in well with the Krile storyline.

I'm fine with keeping him around so long as the other scions (Especially Alphi/Ali get the hell out of the story).

I'll pay that, actually, yeah. G'raha does tie in with Krile quite well. That being said, I'm not a fan of either of them, and I'm disappointed that it's been confirmed that we don't get to leave them behind in Sharlayan.