Would a Reraise ability break the game?

[Rongway]

the name implies I have already raised them once, so am raising again? but if they havent died yet.. then its not reraising them

The name is meaningless, like many Final Fantasy action names. If you speak classical Final Fantasy you know it, otherwise don't think about it too much.

I have tried to come up with a use case scenario for this and I am afraid I cant think of one.

Healer: [Casts Reraise on self.]
Tank: [Survives the mechanic so that the fight doesn't reset even though everyone else died.]
Healer: [Gets back up and LB3s.]

[Ath192]

The name is meaningless, like many Final Fantasy action names. If you speak classical Final Fantasy you know it, otherwise don't think about it too much.


Healer: [Casts Reraise on self.]
Tank: [Survives the mechanic so that the fight doesn't reset even though everyone else died.]
Healer: [Gets back up and LB3s.]

Yeah but this is exactly the scenario that would have to be avoided. Imagine cheesing big mechanics like this. There would have to be a caveat where in the reraise takes effect after 10 seconds on the ground and if the party wipes there is no re-raise. Because otherwise this is what would break the game.

On the other hand healer LB3s and Tank LB3 have been used to cheese a lot of things already, so this isnt like mind blowingly broken but it does make it more accessible. Just as an example this whole tier tanks have been cheesing Cachexia 2

[Gemina]

Yeah but this is exactly the scenario that would have to be avoided. Imagine cheesing big mechanics like this. There would have to be a caveat where in the reraise takes effect after 10 seconds on the ground and if the party wipes there is no re-raise. Because otherwise this is what would break the game.

On the other hand healer LB3s and Tank LB3 have been used to cheese a lot of things already, so this isnt like mind blowingly broken but it does make it more accessible. Just as an example this whole tier tanks have been cheesing Cachexia 2

There isn't much cheese to be had. For the game's more difficult fights, if a healer has to LB3 the group wont beat the enrage window. For all other fights, no one cares.

[Ath192]

There isn't much cheese to be had. For the game's more difficult fights, if a healer has to LB3 the group wont beat the enrage window. For all other fights, no one cares.

You underestimate folks. Remember that healer LB3 doesn't give weakness, and most groups can generally clear without using DPS LB3 outside of week 1 or 2. This could potentially affect older ultimates as well where damage doesn't matter any more only that people do mechanics correctly.

off the top of my head, a good example of a mechanic that would be super easily cheesed was Lions in E12S, people already cheesed it with Heal LB 3 because parties messed it up all the time, the issue was the healer had to get lucky and live but a reraise would basically make it a standard strat.

And dmg checks were definitely met despite this.

[Rongway]

Yeah but this is exactly the scenario that would have to be avoided. Imagine cheesing big mechanics like this.

There isn't much cheese to be had. For the game's more difficult fights, if a healer has to LB3 the group wont beat the enrage window. For all other fights, no one cares.

You underestimate folks. Remember that healer LB3 doesn't give weakness, and most groups can generally clear without using DPS LB3 outside of week 1 or 2. This could potentially affect older ultimates as well where damage doesn't matter any more only that people do mechanics correctly.

off the top of my head, a good example of a mechanic that would be super easily cheesed was Lions in E12S, people already cheesed it with Heal LB 3 because parties messed it up all the time, the issue was the healer had to get lucky and live but a reraise would basically make it a standard strat.

And dmg checks were definitely met despite this.

Yes, I agree.

On the other hand healer LB3s and Tank LB3 have been used to cheese a lot of things already, so this isnt like mind blowingly broken but it does make it more accessible. Just as an example this whole tier tanks have been cheesing Cachexia 2

The difference I see, at least in more recent raids, is if you tank LB a mechanic the whole party can still get a major Damage Down if the mechanic isn't handled correctly anyway. With a Reraise+wipe+LB3 everyone loses gauge and a few GCDs but otherwise comes back up with no Weakness (except the Reraised healer) and no Damage Down (except the surviving tank), which could tip Reraise into OP territory.

[Gemina]

You underestimate folks. Remember that healer LB3 doesn't give weakness, and most groups can generally clear without using DPS LB3 outside of week 1 or 2. This could potentially affect older ultimates as well where damage doesn't matter any more only that people do mechanics correctly.

off the top of my head, a good example of a mechanic that would be super easily cheesed was Lions in E12S, people already cheesed it with Heal LB 3 because parties messed it up all the time, the issue was the healer had to get lucky and live but a reraise would basically make it a standard strat.

And dmg checks were definitely met despite this.

You mean, I underestimate ilv bloat. In which case, no. I am not. I can use two fights I am currently participating in as examples of each scenario here: Sophia Unreal (Healer LB3 = Doom), and Rubicante EX (DPS LB3 not needed). For the first fight, while not mechanically very difficult, if players are messing up so much that a healer has to use LB3, chances are you're not going to beat enrage. Some groups might have managed, but none of mine have so this is purely anecdotal. My doubts remain high though.

Rubicante EX is an example where his toughest mechanic: Sweeping Immolation with spread AoEs, can be totally cheesed with the use of healer LB3. The group can quite literally send one healer to a safe zone, and everyone else can just eat it and die. So long as the healer lives, the fight carries on. And because the Archfiend does not have a tight window, this strat will work for decently skilled groups who struggle with this mechanic.

So what's the point? Well. For starters Sophia Unreal can't be ilv cheesed, and a healer having Reraise as I have described it won't help a group of insufficient skill. As for Rubicante, the ilv bloat is redundant because no amount of it will save the group if they can't do Sweeping Immolation correctly. Even with Reraise as I have described it, the group still has to build the gauge for LB3, and both healers will still need to do the mechanics leading up to Sweeping Immolation, or they will lose their Reraise buff.

What this all means is that Healer LB3 cheese is already happening, and a healer Reraise buff as I have described it won't change anything. It will always be better and preferable for groups to stay on their feet so healer LB3 isn't needed at all, and having DPS LB3 available will only make the fight easier to clear, regardless if it is needed or not. I am not quite sure that DPS LB3 is needed for any of the game's harder fights in its history. From my experience it has not been. However, having it available definitely helps pick up some slack if groups are not as skilled, or have made too many mistakes.

[DixieBellOCE]

You mean, I underestimate ilv bloat. In which case, no. I am not. I can use two fights I am currently participating in as examples of each scenario here: Sophia Unreal (Healer LB3 = Doom), and Rubicante EX (DPS LB3 not needed). For the first fight, while not mechanically very difficult, if players are messing up so much that a healer has to use LB3, chances are you're not going to beat enrage.

What.

If people aren't beating Sophia enrage then they need to hit a training dummy for a while and learn their rotations, the DPS check for Sophia unreal is a joke in comparison to what it was back in HW

[Gemina]

What.

If people aren't beating Sophia enrage then they need to hit a training dummy for a while and learn their rotations, the DPS check for Sophia unreal is a joke in comparison to what it was back in HW

Lose the elitist attitude. Players make mistakes, and if they make too many, they won't beat her enrage. Join a practice group and rather than be a jerk, help them instead of mocking their failures