2-minute meta

[Absurdity]

True on WAR though, take me back to 4.1 SB where it felt rewarding to set up and execute the burst window, should have left the 'press 60s CD, receive X stacks of 'free big hit button' to PLD with Req/Holy Spirit

Even 4.2 WAR was still a better job than whatever this mess is now. Your selfhealing required you to sacrifice a lot of damage from needing to be in Defiance for Equilibrium and Inner Beast spam and it actually still had some management left outside of using your single braincell to remember to press the "hurr durr Fell Cleave" button.

If only these 5 human beings could design and balance 21 unique jobs while perfectly distributing their passion to only the jobs they like, as well as collaborating with each other on the larger combat system and dictating the limits to the encounter designers!

Them only having 5 job designers is still their own problem to solve. It may have worked in ARR when we had 10 jobs, and those 4 people at the time still had a lot of creativity in them, but it evidently doesn't work with our current 19 and soon 21 jobs.

We're not obligated to just go "Oh, they only have 5 job designers so I guess we just have to accept that job design is awful."

[SquigglesMajor]

I don't think it's meant to be "fun" it's meant to be balanced. The goal is to make sure that all classes are equally competitive, and they all bring the same tools to a fight. In that sense it succeeds. But fun, eh not really. It's fine if one or two classes have a set two minute rotation, but all of them is bad. There's no variety. For a game that has over 20 classes it really only has about 3.

[Aravell]

I don't think it's meant to be "fun" it's meant to be balanced. The goal is to make sure that all classes are equally competitive, and they all bring the same tools to a fight. In that sense it succeeds. But fun, eh not really. It's fine if one or two classes have a set two minute rotation, but all of them is bad. There's no variety. For a game that has over 20 classes it really only has about 3.

In my opinion, if someone designing a game doesn't have 'fun' as their number 1 priority, they've failed at their job. Games should be fun, they can balance after if needed, but fun really should be their priority.

[Absurdity]

In my opinion, if someone designing a game doesn't have 'fun' as their number 1 priority, they've failed at their job. Games should be fun, they can balance after if needed, but fun really should be their priority.

I think the other possibility is more concerning, that they actually consider the current combat and job design to be fun.

[Yuella]

It's because HW raid numbers. BRD vs MCH ratio was like 80-20 even though it's fine because hardcore players can switch to BRD and casuals don't care that MCH is not meta.

[OgruMogru]

It's because HW raid numbers. BRD vs MCH ratio was like 80-20 even though it's fine because hardcore players can switch to BRD and casuals don't care that MCH is not meta.

How relevant can HW numbers be at this point when we are 3 expansions past that point now, with the 2 minute meta being a worse received and longer lasting problem than any metrics from an exp from 2015?

[Heroman3003]

How relevant can HW numbers be at this point when we are 3 expansions past that point now, with the 2 minute meta being a worse received and longer lasting problem than any metrics from an exp from 2015?

It's all relative. You could argue it is worse recieved, but it appears to me like proportionally, a lot less people negatively complain about it than the people complaining about things that got changed back in the day.

[Shikiseki]

My biggest complaint about this 2-minute meta is that, for basically 90% of the game where it doesn't really matter, you get desynced in casual play with walking between bossfights and trash or even just a simple thing as not paying attention and dying just once - your dps ends up in the gutter for the remainder of the fight/instance.

Deaths are prohibitably punishing now and pray to god you don't drift in some way or another to miss that one 15second buff window and forget to faceroll on your keyboard to press 30 buttons in those 15seconds so you can go back to press 1-5 buttons until the next buff window to repeat the whole process.
You better play absolutely perfect or you fall off - this is a very concerning direction this game's heading which is further focused on their "successful" contents like criterion savage where you have to play perfect as well but I digress...

this game has to step away from its "perfect choreographed" design or it will never change. At this point I'm hoping they're already developing the next mmorpg with hopefully more dynamic battles.