What Forge Ahead Actually Means

[TheMightyMollusk]

The Waking Sands raid counts as a death fakeout? For the characters we clearly saw just being captured? Who were never at all stated as being dead?

Then again, you list every time a character gets injured at all as if getting hurt means clearly they were gonna die, which.....doesn't remotely track.

[DiaDeem]

Actually, pretty much all of them have had multiple experiences by now:
-Y'shtola (Flow, bodied by Zenos, Norvrandt coma, Flow again, Thule)
-Thancred (Flow, Norvrandt coma, bodied by Ran'jit, Thule)
-Alphinaud (Coils, downed airship, Norvrandt coma, Thule)
-Alisaie (Coils, Abania, Norvrandt coma, Thule)
-Urianger (Waking Sands raid, Norvrandt coma, Thule)
-G'raha (Crystal Tower, Elidibus, Thule)
-Estinien (Nidhogg, Thule)
-Minfilia (Waking Sands raid, Flow)
-Krile (Isle of Val, Zenos)

You're putting all of these out of context. I have no idea how you interpreted some of these as "deaths" whatsoever. Thule I'm gonna rule out entirely. Check my previous posts as to why. Norvrandt Coma I'm ruling out as well by default. Collapses were never presented as deaths. Now...

Shtola: Flow & Flow. Two are already too much for me. Nobody ever inferred she was dying after Zenos cut her. Don't know how you came to that conclusion.
Thancred: Flow, and that's it. He beats Ran'jit, and it was never inferred he was dead.
The Twins: Coils? No idea how your mind went to death with that. We literally play as Alphinaud after the ship went down in the Burn. Many people survived the fall of the Garlean tower in Abania. It was never inferred any of the Scions had died there. Even some Garlean soldiers survived.
Urianger: His body wasn't in the Waking Sands. Why would anyone ever think he died?
G'raha: 6.3 we got his soul copied to a crystal. Only his body froze. For CT, he literally states he's going to sleep until the time is right.
Estinien: He never died by Niddhog. He asked to be killed but we saved him, that was the whole point of that scene. How was that lost on you?
Minfilia: First thing we learn as we find Noraxia dying, is that she was taken hostage.
Krile: We didn't even know her when the Isle vanished. Zenos was experimenting with her. No mention of death anywhere.

Most of these cases are mad stretches, and I think you don't actually believe in half of them. I don't understand why you'd toss some of these out, unless you're trolling or being dishonest for the sake of argument. Many of these I've never seen interpreted as deaths before this post. Not once in almost ten years of playing this game. You didn't even bring G'Raha being shot by Emet. I mean, I don't include it because Emet says 30 seconds later "cat not dead btw" but it shows me you're just picking whatever arbitrary thing that could be REMOTELY perceived as as death if you stretch it enough. You didn't even bring up Amaurot, and for that one I'm willing to give the Twins and Ryne one each, because even I got surprised Ryne was just fine after The Dying Gasp. Then again, Ryne is a retired character.

Maybe my statement goes way further than I thought it did: You truly (and inexplicably) are obsessed with the concept of Scion Deaths.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Aveyond probably thinks lord of the rings is terrible because only 1 person dies early on and the rest who seem to die don't.

[DiaDeem]

Aveyond probably thinks lord of the rings is terrible because only 1 person dies early on and the rest who seem to die don't.

The Lord of the Rings is terrible. Do you remember how Dumbledore comes back after the Balrog killed him? How dare they not actually kill him, terrible story no stakes.

[SieyaM]

FF IX is by far my favorite entry in the franchise and Garnet my favorite character of really any video game so far. The fake out deaths were borderline ridiculous in this expansion, I almost thought Thancred might have actually eaten it, but once Estinien did his monologue and died I knew it was all for show, no way were they going to kill of two of the main cast let alone all of them. It really just made Ultima Thule a hollow experience.

[DiaDeem]

FF IX is by far my favorite entry in the franchise and Garnet my favorite character of really any video game so far. The fake out deaths were borderline ridiculous in this expansion, I almost thought Thancred might have actually eaten it, but once Estinien did his monologue and died I knew it was all for show, no way were they going to kill of two of the main cast let alone all of them. It really just made Ultima Thule a hollow experience.

I mean... Shtola prefaces the whole thing with "btw you can just bring us back later". You didn't actually take the bait right after that, did you?

That said, I do hope we get no more fake out deaths like.. at all. Ever since Nanamo it's been a thing, and I think as a plot device has been used more than it ever needed to.

[Kazemon15]

I mean... Shtola prefaces the whole thing with "btw you can just bring us back later". You didn't actually take the bait right after that, did you?

Even after, Meteion confirms something along the lines of "You better hurry and reach me before your friend's protection fades away" which alluded to they weren't dead, but bringing them back to be alongside you would mean you would be at the mercy of Meteion's power again... I do not know why EW haters just gloss over this when it was explained right in front of their face.

[DiaDeem]

Even after, Meteion confirms something along the lines of "You better hurry and reach me before your friend's protection fades away" which alluded to they weren't dead, but bringing them back to be alongside you would mean you would be at the mercy of Meteion's power again... I do not know why EW haters just gloss over this when it was explained right in front of their face.

Like... Nanamo's was a fake out death. Gaius's was a fake out death. The Scions in EW felt more like "We'll make a bridge until you can bring us back" and never felt like they were actually gone. Like.. I was more wondering how they would justify it, because they wouldn't give us Azem's Crystal just to not use it. Enter Emet/Hyth, so yeah.

I think it was fine. I respect if some people didn't care for that story beat in particular.

[Kazemon15]

Like... Nanamo's was a fake out death. Gaius's was a fake out death. The Scions in EW felt more like "We'll make a bridge until you can bring us back" and never felt like they were actually gone. Like.. I was more wondering how they would justify it, because they wouldn't give us Azem's Crystal just to not use it. Enter Emet/Hyth, so yeah.

I think it was fine. I respect if some people didn't care for that story beat in particular.

Yep, I agree. I get some people may not like it, but to whine and complain like it's the worst thing they have ever seen in any story ever is being overly dramatic. Heck Sailor Moon did it at the end of season 1 and the reasoning for them coming back made literally no sense at all...

I don't know about you, but whenever I'm doing something important with someone I care for, I sometimes like to say a few words that just feel right to pump everyone up, and nobody is going to die lol. They're also about to lose consciousness entirely. Ever been to a surgery, even if it's just routine? Some people like to say a few things before going in, even
though there should be no fear of death. Granted, other people just say "See you in a bit" but it just depends on the person really.

I don't know. It came across as very human and rather natural to me.

^ This.

[SieyaM]

I mean... Shtola prefaces the whole thing with "btw you can just bring us back later". You didn't actually take the bait right after that, did you?

That said, I do hope we get no more fake out deaths like.. at all. Ever since Nanamo it's been a thing, and I think as a plot device has been used more than it ever needed to.

That begs the question why bother with the over long monologues anyway, just say hey see you in a bit and do whatever.