This game is on a terrible state right now.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Wow’s rp scene is nowhere near as big as FFXIV’s, I played wow for 14 years, on multiple servers, including both rp and rp-pvp, of course there are rp communities, but they aren’t as big as you make it to be because people are playing the actual game and doing actual content instead of afking in cities 24/7.

I invite you to compare FFXIV’s PF and wow’s group finder, it ain’t a small difference let me tell you, one game is focused almost fully on the social aspect and venues/erp whatever else, while the other is extra focused on content, actually playing the game.

I love how you just blatantly ignore my comment that FFXIV's duty finder makes less use for having to LFG in PF. Compared to WoW where they still have Group Finder parties due to the fact that endgame doesnt allow for automated groups to do the content. So of course you'll see more listings for that because of that reason.

[Theodric]

Buddy, you're the one trying to be deceptive here. You argue that the rp and venue scene is somehow killing FFXIV but then your first reasoning behind this is because of the "creepy, predatory venues". Yeah I'm sure you were trying to NOT label the whole crowd for being weirdos.

Once again, you're twisting my words. I'm very familiar with roleplay. I roleplay myself. What you're referring to isn't roleplay, it's cyber - the characters involved are heavily altered through mods and are not being roleplayed as part of the FFXIV world as would make sense. They're using it as a place to cyber, chat and are being catered to with dance poles, modern clothing and modern furniture. Which would be tolerable if it wasn't coming at the expense of stuff for those of us who actually invested in the setting at its core.

I was a moderator for the unofficial site for FFXIV roleplayers in the past. There was a huge exodus of European roleplayers from Balmung to Omega years back because most of what was being offered did not qualify as roleplay but cyber and the situation is even more dire than it was back then.

Do you actually roleplay yourself out of curiosity?

Furthermore, I even urged people - if brave enough - to go explore the rabbit hole that is FFXIV on Twitter. They'll then see just how deeply rooted cyber is within the community. It's not subtle at all and doesn't give a good impression of the game to anyone who wants their MMO to be an MMO.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Personally I don't care if people RP, I really don't, and if they add life to the game all the better. I like areas being populated. However, to me RP should be side content, and something thats there but the game keeps people hustling and doing official game activities for the most part, because, the official game activities are interesting enough.

Now in FFXIV that isn't the case. And so I find it sad that RP is kind of the main dish. Hence I complain. I want fun game activities and thats what most people want as well.

I want fun game activities too, but blaming the rp community is not the solution. Its so silly how the fact that just because they added Island Sanctuary all of a sudden people are crying that they're giving attention to RP scene. When;
1. IS isnt even being used for RP as much as you think (as far as I'm aware) and
2. the rest of the main patch content so far has been battle activities.

[Stormpeaks]

I love how you just blatantly ignore my comment that FFXIV's duty finder makes less use for having to LFG in PF. Compared to WoW where they still have Group Finder parties due to the fact that endgame doesnt allow for automated groups to do the content. So of course you'll see more listings for that because of that reason.

Its just a ridiculous reason so it’s not worth mentioning, however the rest I have responded to.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Once again, you're twisting my words. I'm very familiar with roleplay. I roleplay myself. What you're referring to isn't roleplay, it's cyber - the characters involved are heavily altered through mods and are not being roleplayed as part of the FFXIV world as would make sense. They're using it as a place to cyber, chat and are being catered to with dance poles, modern clothing and modern furniture. Which would be tolerable if it wasn't coming at the expense of stuff for those of us who actually invested in the setting at its core.

I was a moderator for the unofficial site for FFXIV roleplayers in the past. There was a huge exodus of European roleplayers from Balmung to Omega years back because most of what was being offered did not qualify as roleplay but cyber and the situation is even more dire than it was back then.

Do you actually roleplay yourself out of curiosity?

Furthermore, I even urged people - if brave enough - to go explore the rabbit hole that is FFXIV on Twitter. They'll then see just how deeply rooted cyber is within the community. It's not subtle at all and doesn't give a good impression of the game to anyone who wants their MMO to be an MMO.

I live and breathe FFXIV media such as Twitter and Reddit (as much as that sickens me to say) and I'm telling you the opposite. More so I see people posting and sharing their own characters and art than the degenerate cyber stuff as you describe. And if even thats the case...actually think logically for a second here.

Dont you think its a little stupid to believe that the dev team whom are very much against the "cyber" crowd with modded characters would want to cater to that crowd when those people are breaking the ToS in the first place?


THINK MARK, THINK

[Atelier-Bagur]

Its just a ridiculous reason so it’s not worth mentioning, however the rest I have responded to.

funny how I feel the same with your reasons.

[Absimiliard]

I live and breathe FFXIV media such as Twitter and Reddit (as much as that sickens me to say) and I'm telling you the opposite. More so I see people posting and sharing their own characters and art than the degenerate cyber stuff as you describe. And if even thats the case...actually think logically for a second here.

Dont you think its a little stupid to believe that the dev team whom are very much against the "cyber" crowd with modded characters would want to cater to that crowd when those people are breaking the ToS in the first place?


THINK MARK, THINK

I care little for what demographic the dev team does or does not cater to at this point. They've chosen their direction, and no amount of input from the fanbase will change that.

Having said that, I feel your response to that poster comes off as disingenuous. If you are indeed extremely active in FFXIV and its social media circles, then there is no way possible for you to have missed the incredible amount of degeneracy going on. Care to take a guess how often weird crap gets posted on the main subreddit that has to be taken down? Not to mention the weird crap that gets posted and doesn't get taken down. For that matter, when's the last time you looked at party finder? Or spent five minutes in Ul'dah? I'm no role-player, but the lion's share of people I know from the game that still play are. They too are extremely disappointed with the current state of affairs, particularly the venue infestation and massive upsurge in overtly predatory behavior that came with it. It's at the point now where a not insignificant portion of people that prefer normal, which is to say non-degenerate, role-playing activities are opting to invest their time in other games, and plenty more besides are starting to contemplate doing the same.

Some days there's more venue garbage in the party finder than actual party finding. I'm not sure why these people feel the need to label their weird cyber-lounges as raids, but I can think of several jokes to make on the subject that would get me banned from the forums real quick.

That aside though, you've got to admit... the inclusion of stripper poles is all kinds of sus. Throwing in all sorts of modern accoutrements that sorta fit the same theme isn't exactly helping, either. It's rather reasonable for someone to look at this and go, "oh, I guess SE is encouraging it." Because, honestly, it sure looks like they are. Maybe they don't realize it, maybe they do. I'm not an SE employee, so I don't know. I just know what I see, and what I see is the degenerates multiplying like crazy while those of us seeking to use the game for something other than an online brothel service for forever-virgins are left shaking our heads in disbelief.

[Jijifli]

no, they are only doing one part of the content which is raiding and they do not do anything else and then cry when there is nothing to do. They choose not to do anything else in the game, that is not a Dev issue that's a you issue more than anything else. Stop crying and do other content in the game...

Hi there. Time for personal experience here.

Outside of finishing (keyword finish, I've not done the 4th of any tier) raiding and by extension ult content, or BA from Eureka, I have dabbled in all the content the game has promised. Trials? I got every mount set so far, ShB one even being done when it was current. Leveling? All 90, craft and gather too... Twice (why?). Relic quests? All done at minimum of once, ARR the only one done outside of current. Social related? I've done plenty of community interactions through just interaction and roleplay stuff, getting the good, the bad, and the really REALLY ugly.

I even interacted with the gold saucer stuff, and as an example, I got the triple triad mount when it was current. NPC's are very fun when they get to cheat though, right? Firmament was fine, while I didn't get involved in the race for titles, I did at least touch on it. Maps have been done so to death, and was even how I chose to farm to pay a 19m debt I had (LOL) back in Stormblood days.

Now, why is this information important? Because when someone tells me I simply haven't done enough content in the game and that's why there's a lack of it for me, I get confused. I have touched all of it at a minimum. I did not like all of it, but I gave them all a chance, and found some I did and some I did not like, and that's fine. The problem is, I only have raiding left, content I have given multiple tries for, and found unenjoyable for multiple reasons. This means by the statement, I am literally the opposite of the very player you say complains there is nothing.

And there is nothing.

If you're going to limit yourself to riding only the newest ride at the theme park, of course you're going to get bored.

The reason others aren't getting bored is because they don't limit themselves to just that one ride. They enjoy the old rides just as much as the new.

There was a lot of new content added in Endwalker. It's fair to say that you haven't enjoyed it. Not everyone is going to like everything.

It's idiotic to pretend it doesn't exist and imply that others must be lying when they say they have things they're doing in game.

Wasn't aware of this one too, hehe. So many pages.

But, for your case, I appear to have done all the theme park rides. Even the ones I didn't like, simply to be sure of it. I didn't write off the ride because I MIGHT dislike it, I wrote it off afterword once I could use experience to judge it.

So, does this make me idiotic? I mean, I appear to meet your check, and yet agree there's nothing here currently.

[hunkygladiator]

Precisely. Why would I pay 10 bucks a month for a subscription here when I can just open up any number of apps and talk to people for free?

Because you don't get to pose your catgirl doing R18 actions with your male best friend's catgirl.

[Alleluia]

Wow’s rp scene is nowhere near as big as FFXIV’s, I played wow for 14 years, on multiple servers, including both rp and rp-pvp, of course there are rp communities, but they aren’t as big as you make it to be because people are playing the actual game and doing actual content instead of afking in cities 24/7.

I invite you to compare FFXIV’s PF and wow’s group finder, it ain’t a small difference let me tell you, one game is focused almost fully on the social aspect and venues/erp whatever else, while the other is extra focused on content, actually playing the game.

I'm confused. Are you saying that needs to be changed or fixed or what?