This game is on a terrible state right now.

[Saraide]

It was both sides. I actually thought Graeham was on the EW is bad side. As a lot of the times they posted they agreed with stuff that was said. I just stopped reading their posts cause it was hard to follow and understand. As I said it's one thing to post an opinion and have it come off as that. It's another when someone states an opinion and then treats it as fact. As some people on here tend to do and then get mad when you point it out. The whole burger stuff wouldn't even became a thing if a poster or two didn't practically write an essay about how they didn't feel as though it was money well spent by the devs.

People can make criticisms about the game. It's just any time anyone disagrees with an Op that is doing so people almost instantly start calling those that do shills or white knights ect. That those who disagree with whatever view point must enjoy and like all aspects of the game. Then people will try and say things like this doesn't happen with positive threads. Yet when someone does try to make a positive thread it doesn't even last a whole page before someone like Stormpeaks or RO41 to come in and write one of their typical responses to anything positive said about the game.

Some people on here come off so bitter about the game. To the point they seem surprised when others ask them why are they still playing it. Or they're looking at the past with the rose colored glasses they accuse other of wearing. Others make it look like all they ever want to do is nitpick.

Graeham has always just been a parody on the story haters. The broken english is part of the bit.

[Kickwars]

I actually thought Graeham was on the EW is bad side. As a lot of the times they posted they agreed with stuff that was said. I just stopped reading their posts cause it was hard to follow and understand.

LOL

He was mocking certain people, who, to be fair, also produced enough mockable content.

[aveyond-dreams]

I eagerly await the defense of why spending money animating food like the burger and Zero's dumplings is a better use of resources than allocating that animation budget to displaying pivotal events like the Sundering. Hydaelyn and Zodiark's respective transformations. You know, the things Endwalker was supposed to focus on instead of rabbits running around like cartoon animals through the ruins of Garlemald.

Either way the ardent defenders of the story would have loved it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I eagerly await the defense of why spending money animating food like the burger and Zero's dumplings is a better use of resources than allocating that animation budget to displaying pivotal events like the Sundering.

Nobody ever has, or ever will entertain this thought or idea.
And how much you talk about it is why we have these funny stupid food memes.

[Averax]

I've been off and on subbed since ARR. It's always been like this. What we do get has been getting trimmed down over the years, and now pair that with a delayed content cycle you can really feel it.

Game's always been bare, they're practically running a skeleton crew for development, and SE funnels the money this game makes into other properties.

Someone said this earlier in the thread and i tend to agree. This game is designed for the people who love to afk, and it's the only MMO i can think of that doesn't auto-disconnect you for being inactive, and they allow it because people pay their sub to just do it. I've been on Coeurl for years, and i have seen the same people in the same places for years.

Edit: I still think about that one person who said they never log out and keep paying their sub because they felt like it caused their character pain when they logged out, so when they went to bed, they'd put their character in bed until the morning. Wonder how they're doing.

[ronibosch]

Graeham has always just been a parody on the story haters. The broken english is part of the bit.

I'll confess: my gullible ass fell for it. I think I was charmed by his (her? Their?) colorful use of the English language.

Also, I really wanted to believe that the act was genuine. Kind of like wanting to believe in magic.

[SannaR]

Graeham has always just been a parody on the story haters. The broken english is part of the bit.

Huh you learn something new everyday. Obviously fooled me. And this is why people who respond to some other OPs with this is bait only to get people who go omg why can't you take things people say seriously. As there are people at least in the past who do write that way and aren't trying to mock or whatnot. It's like what I said to a friend one time there are people out there who aren't memeing about their loathing about certain characters or parts of the story. That really do feel in such a way about those things. Like back during ARR, HW, or SB no one would take a person complaining about the story if one of the reasons why they didn't like it back then is because we didn't go to the moon. Practically everyone back then would have pointed and laughed at them. As there was nothing in the story or from the devs the that would suggest such a thing.

Yet, there are those who still make those kinds of complaints or fully believe crap like skills gained from job crystals being equipped are equal to the use of a Staples easy button. And then when someone does try to give those types at their word you get people replying why did you take the bait. Then there are posters who seem to not see that another's reply to something was soaking in sarcasm that they take it at face value. Thus causing misunderstanding. Which no one then tries to clear up.

[AnnRam]

This expansion has been really lackluster in terms of patches, there is literally nothing to do, and most of the stuff added is a joke.

Why release new content? when everyone is busy using mare, adding mods left and right, RMT, +18 avenues (scammers) they don't need to do anything, as long they throw a few items on the moogle store every 2 months and 1 dungeon/15min of MSQ every 4-5 months.

[Theodric]

Hopefully this goes through and the free login campaign was enough to reignite forum access...fingers crossed!

It was both sides.

I'd argue otherwise. Vocal elements of this game's community have long acted extremely weirdly towards anyone who criticises elements of the story or happens to like or dislike the 'wrong' characters or factions. I've pointed out many times in the past how, quite often, those who lap up anything the story offers them have a habit of making incredibly bizarre insinuations about those who provide feedback or criticism. If they like Garlemald, they're accused of 'supporting fascism'. If they ask for more stakes and character deaths? They're called 'psychopaths'. If they happen to dislike Venat and find her genocidal rampage to be controversial? They're accused of 'hating women'. The worst possible spin is embraced and it is treated as if using the forum for the intended purpose of leaving feedback about the things that certain posters like or dislike is equal to some sort of criminal activity.

That's not even getting into the creepy conspiracy theories implying that everyone who criticises Endwalker is simply an alt or part of some secretive cabal, the death threats, homophobic commentary and 'forced intimacy' related comments. All of which have I know full well have been brought up many, many times by both myself and other posters.

So, no, it isn't 'both sides'. At most, a few people had enough after months or even years of needlessly aggressive/bad faith discussion in the guise of 'story talk' and got a bit snippy. A common trend around these parts is to ignore the outright horrific stuff posted and instead point at those snippy comments as if they and they alone are the problem or a case of 'both sides' at play.

As other posters so kindly pointed out, ignoring a thread one does not wish to partake in is perfectly viable and certainly preferable to derailing them over not liking specific posters.

[SannaR]

Hopefully this goes through and the free login campaign was enough to reignite forum access...fingers crossed!
That's not even getting into the creepy conspiracy theories implying that everyone who criticises Endwalker is simply an alt or part of some secretive cabal, the death threats, homophobic commentary and 'forced intimacy' related comments. All of which have I know full well have been brought up many, many times by both myself and other posters.

So, no, it isn't 'both sides'. At most, a few people had enough after months or even years of needlessly aggressive/bad faith discussion in the guise of 'story talk' and got a bit snippy. A common trend around these parts is to ignore the outright horrific stuff posted and instead point at those snippy comments as if they and they alone are the problem or a case of 'both sides' at play.

As other posters so kindly pointed out, ignoring a thread one does not wish to partake in is perfectly viable and certainly preferable to derailing them over not liking specific posters.

Oh hey Theodric. I missed ya. Yet there are many who do want death for death sake or because they have never liked that character and try to go into detail of how much they don't like said character. To the point of practically stating they'd throw a party and wish they could dance on that character's grave. Or that if people cried at any point during the story that they only did it for internet points. Or have never experienced a true loss in their life. And I'm sure there are people who do actually like fascist. I know you and I haven't seen eye to eye on many a thing if anything. Yet even in some discussions you evn have reacted in ways where if someone points out parallels to things take those things the wrong way. For instance I personally haven't held your liking of Garlean stuff to think that you enjoy said parallels when brought up. As you tend to write in a way that doesn't give off the impression that it's not just an aesthetics thing or how a character is written.

Meanwhile there are those who do write in such a way that when read by a lot of people it doesn't leave much nuance. To the point where it is very hard to tell if said poster isn't a fascist, hates women, just wants every character to die and to kick puppies. Only to get people to yell "stop trying to brow beat the minority or be thought police". I think we both know ignoring said posters or certain threads is easier said then done. As we both have made "why are you still here" posts. There have been some where a person goes back to a thread to continue a discussion with another poster about the topic. Normally in the past that was seen as the accepted thing to do instead of starting a new thread on the topic and having the Op come off as strange due to trying to continue a conversation that started in another thread. Had to snip some stuff out cause we write "books".