A summary of healer issues

[Kolaina]

I am not talking about players putting their foot down and telling people to get good, but the developer. After all they're the ones that have to perpetually invest resources into redesigning the game for people who don't actually want to play a game.


For players the process is quite simple, if it is more effective for me to heal the party by myself than it is to constantly scrape you off the ground then you will be staying down there.

I wish the developer would. Or anything really. The mediocrity is annoying at the best of times.

[MaxCarnage]

You mean the thread where you tried to call my factual and verifiable math 'anecdotal' despite having zero personal experience in said content or era?

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5685240

I guess simply correcting you is extremely vitriolic now

If you want a great example of how low the healer skill ceiling is right now. I just landed a 94 percentile damage in non BiS gear running Lapis with only GCD heals (Basically Regen and Lilies). It's just beyond a joke now.

People managed just fine when content, like Titan HM and early AK was the norm. Now the devs and player base are equally terrified of even the merest hint of failure even though there's barely any consequences for it

I suppose you are the only person I ever talked to in the healer forums and I suppose that's the only thread I had ever posted in. And no, you remembering me from almost 2 years ago, and searching for our previous conversations in an attempt to pull a gotcha isn't at all vitriolic. Not creepy or weird, either.

Regardless, I don't disagree with you that people managed in ARR. What I am saying is that as of right now, SE has dug themselves in such a deep hole where they enabled bad game play, and the community as a whole has enabled bad gameplay. People weaponize the ToS for telling someone medica 2 regens don't stack. Or that they should use more than just rampart at level 90.

Raising the skill ceiling is only going to make the problem worse. Where conent will become unclearable because of how bad people actually are. And you still won't be able to tell anybody to get better.

I'm not defending the way things are now. I'm saying they are the way they are because of all the enabling and coddling. When you get told "leave them alone. They're doing fine" because you see a max level healer struggling to keep only themself alive, that's a problem. Or when you get kicked from a duty for asking the DPS to "please dodge", that's a problem. When vote dismisses don't go through on a tank that has 8 vuln stacks at all times because "it's only their 4th time" in the max level duty you are running, that's a problem.

And until that changes, you will never get the harder content.

[Sebazy]

This is pure salt considering how long ago that post was in the healer forum. The fact you not only remembered that, but you went back and dig it up. You are the vitriol of the healer forum. Get a life. For real

Oh hey, fancy seeing you here too.

Are you still sore about being called out on your misinformation as well?

[Sebazy]

I suppose you are the only person I ever talked to in the healer forums and I suppose that's the only thread I had ever posted in. And no, you remembering me from almost 2 years ago, and searching for our previous conversations in an attempt to pull a gotcha isn't at all vitriolic. Not creepy or weird, either.

I guess I have a habit of remembering when people push incorrect assumptions as fact. If you don't like that then /shrug, consider doing a little research before pressing that post button.

Raising the skill ceiling is only going to make the problem worse. Where conent will become unclearable because of how bad people actually are. And you still won't be able to tell anybody to get better.

Salt aside, I'm very much in agreement with the rest. People seem to play to the level that the content expects and sadly until you hit Extremes, FFXIV content expects basically nothing out of us. If we can find and click the queue roulette button, we can probably scrape through the content even if the reality is that the rest of the group are dragging us along for the ride. That by itself isn't entirely a detriment, but what is is the lack of any real incentive or even suggestion from the game to try and do better.

One suggestion I've consistently pushed to be considered is a simple ranking system at the end of each duty. SE can store the potency per second ratings for each job in a given duty as an overall average and then assign a basic A to F score to the player compared to that. It's zero maintenance and little work beyond it's initial addition as it'll just generate it's own scores using actual player data. It could potentially be tied into simple stuff like achievements or some other rewards, maybe bonus tomes for getting a higher rank for example. I think for more casual end game content like dungeons and 24 man, it'd be a neat addition and a big win for the health of the community if it manages to encourage even a modest number of people to try and up their game some.

[ty_taurus]

This is exactly a main part of the reason they can't make things more ngaging for high-end healers. The skill ceiling is so low and yet there are still so many people who can't reach it.

My co-healer in Euphrosyne last night died to every mechanic because they couldn't even heal themself. I was handling the rest of the party, but they couldn't heal themself. They would die and not use tetra or bene on themself when rezzed. The only "cure" they casted was Cure III. And that was only when they were missing health. And they would cast 3 medica 2s in a row. The only reason to cast medica 2 is for the regen. The regens don't stack. It's a pitiful heal otherwise.

I saw them assize once. Just medica 2 and cure 3. And no, I'm not kidding when I say they used cure 3 to heal only themself. The rest of the party was full every time.

You explained an anecdote of someone who is failing to perform the game at a foundational level. No amount of more or less DPS buttons will do anything to resolve that, so why should healers be barred from ever improving their DPS gameplay because some fringe examples of players cannot comprehend how to dodge combat mechanics?

[IDontPetLalas]

Considering you’d have to scroll through an active poster, that’s a fair bit to go. Especially to go back a year and a half. Even just going through a posters history is asinine behaviour just to pick a fight. The depths some people will go just to argue on these forums

Hmm, when something doesn't fit with what I usually see or experience I'd rather check whatever records I have on hand, seems pretty reasonable rather than relying on my rather faulty memory.

[Kolaina]

Oh hey, fancy seeing you here too.

Are you still sore about being called out on your misinformation as well?

See, someone says “I had a bad experience on healer forum”

In comes you “yeah that was me, get rekt scrub”

As if that does anything but show that after a year and a half, you still prefer to flex how much of a jerk you are. Not that it really has an impact on anyone. You still believe what you do, I’m sure they believe as they do. Just your regular twitter-esque drama, digging for statements from forever ago to try and puff your chest out.

/slow clap

Good for you. But only one of us is sore. That being someone digging through posts to find something from late 2021

[Kolaina]

Hmm, when something doesn't fit with what I usually see or experience I'd rather check whatever records I have on hand, seems pretty reasonable rather than relying on my rather faulty memory.

What didn’t fit exactly? That this individual had a bad experience on the healer forum and decided not to return? I’m sure we need to check the records for how a person felt. Not that there’s anything in that statement that needs to be fact checked. Nothing that needed to be rehashed into a sequel of old drama

[Rolder50]

Healing in this game is currently the worst healing of any MMO I have ever played. Though most of that comes down to the unbearably scripted fight design more then the healers themselves.

[IDontPetLalas]

What didn’t fit exactly? That this individual had a bad experience on the healer forum and decided not to return? I’m sure we need to check the records for how a person felt. Not that there’s anything in that statement that needs to be fact checked. Nothing that needed to be rehashed into a sequel of old drama

To refresh your memory the post in question included "I visited the healer forums once. It was an echo chamber of salt. And when I dared speak my own opinion about how I liked healer as it is now, they got extremely vitriolic".

So what is unclear, that this person had a post with *one* person in whhich there was a disagreement, rather than "they = more than one person" , and that a disagreement does not equate to a personal attack or "extreme vitriol"?

Not to mention, if you are concerned about drama , maybe try to avoid using terms like "jerk" and " twitter-esque drama"?