A summary of healer issues

[DiaDeem]

I wanna program Selene like FFXIII paradigms.

[Picker]

I would like it if they added tanks and healers back to the game lol

But seriously, take away all the healing ogcd’s and replace them with dps ogcd’s, then balance the game around healers casting for every heal

[Semirhage]

For someone constantly screeching about hyperbole in the healer subforum, you certainly take the wildest, most exaggerated interpretation of everything everyone over there says.

FYI to the general discussion crowd: The reason he reposted the OP of that thread here was due to a single exchange. One person said threads veering off-topic means they get ignored. I countered with a link to the OP, a thread that has several hundred upvotes as a counterexample of a thread that has a ton of engagement and collected feedback, also ignored.

Renathras decided to drag this out into general discussion, because while he kvetches and bellyaches constantly that the healer subforum is a "toxic cesspit", his favorite game is dancing back and forth around the definition of "majority", hunting and cherrypicking for data points that validate his views on healer design and dismissing as "toxic" ones that don't, then wonders why healer forum regulars roll their eyes at drama queen BS like "look General Discussion, isn't the healer forum TOXIC and AWFUL? They disagreed with me today, but you all agree with me right? I'm not trying to lead this discussion but aren't they all so TOXIC?"

Yes yes, healers are sooo fun. Best designed ever. Glare Glare Glare. So fun.

[DixieBellOCE]

In the game I used to play (tera), healers handled the group's resource management. So you replenished the team's mana, you boosted their attack speed/recast times, and you kept them topped off so they could cheese mechanics.

So healers in Tera are what Bards used to be in XIV.
A real party support.

Pity that was too hard for people and it got dumbed down to its current state.

[ASkellington]

So healers in Tera are what Bards used to be in XIV.
A real party support.

Pity that was too hard for people and it got dumbed down to its current state.

I want old BRD back. I don't know why it was changed and frankly I don't think I want to know considering healer's changes from SB to Shb.

[Striker44]

What I'm trying to see is what a more general audience thinks of it. The place it was posted is a bit of an echo chamber and I'm curious what people not part of that echo chamber feel related to it.

Despite being called "General Discussion," this place still isn't anywhere remotely near a "general audience" of FFXIV players. If you want that, you'd probably be best served just talking to people in-game. This place is just a couple dozen utterly bitter naysayers creating a negative echo chamber because they can't let go and also can't stand that hundreds of thousands of other people are having fun playing the game.

[BaconBits]

Despite being called "General Discussion," this place still isn't anywhere remotely near a "general audience" of FFXIV players. If you want that, you'd probably be best served just talking to people in-game. This place is just a couple dozen utterly bitter naysayers creating a negative echo chamber because they can't let go and also can't stand that hundreds of thousands of other people are having fun playing the game.

[Nizzi]

Despite being called "General Discussion," this place still isn't anywhere remotely near a "general audience" of FFXIV players. If you want that, you'd probably be best served just talking to people in-game. This place is just a couple dozen utterly bitter naysayers creating a negative echo chamber because they can't let go and also can't stand that hundreds of thousands of other people are having fun playing the game.

you're like in your 40s and you spend your free time constantly making these posts, that's crazy lil bro

[Remolia]

I dont agree to "auto-unite" Cure 1 into Cure 2, since Cure 1 has 0.5 seconds lower cast, and this way it has lower cast time -> lower application time and u can cast it almost on move, it means alot when u play low level content (level 1-60) or playing as conjurer (who does not have instacasts besides swiftcast)

[Renathras]

I would like it if they added tanks and healers back to the game lol

But seriously, take away all the healing ogcd’s and replace them with dps ogcd’s, then balance the game around healers casting for every heal

That's actually an interesting idea. So where all attacks are (in terms of rotation) like Energy Drain/Assize? oGCDs?

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Don't mind Semi, she's quite possibly the worst offender about attacking people in there and even when caught lying about accusations, with direct quotes, refuses to recant.

"Renathras decided to cross-post this into General Discussion...to see if the Healer subforum is at all an accurate representation of the general forum population, much less the game's overall population."

There, fixed that for ya, Semi.

Funny you say I'm "bellyaching" about the Healer Subforum when other people here are saying the same thing, and have echoed what I told you before about you guys driving off anyone who dissents. Your post here is further evidence of that, btw. "hunting and cherrypicking" to show you actual data? You're being Exhibit 1 proving the claims you're saying aren't true are true.

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Anyway, this post wasn't about the Healer subforum being toxic. I was just piggybacking off of someone else saying that. Someone I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you were the person who ran them out of it. This post was to see if the OP post that you claim should command the discussion on the topic actually holds water with people not part of your echo chamber.

So far, it has not.

So healers in Tera are what Bards used to be in XIV.
A real party support.

Pity that was too hard for people and it got dumbed down to its current state.

Was that why?

I always thought it had more to do with being hard to balance. Though they removed BRD buffs the same time they added DNC buffs. WHICH NEVER MADE SENSE TO ME. ShB DNC announcement was basically "We don't think a Job that buffs other party members works well with the game. So we're removing BRD's party buffs. Also, we're adding this new Job, DNC. And its main thing is that it buffs the party." Like...in what world does that make sense? o.O

Despite being called "General Discussion," this place still isn't anywhere remotely near a "general audience" of FFXIV players. If you want that, you'd probably be best served just talking to people in-game. This place is just a couple dozen utterly bitter naysayers creating a negative echo chamber because they can't let go and also can't stand that hundreds of thousands of other people are having fun playing the game.

Fair enough. But seriously, go to the Healer subforum. Read some of the threads. The one about removing Rescue (because OP and several other posters in there AREN'T Healer Subforum regulars) is a good showing of how people with divergent positions are "greeted" by the echochamber.

I dont agree to "auto-unite" Cure 1 into Cure 2, since Cure 1 has 0.5 seconds lower cast, and this way it has lower cast time -> lower application time and u can cast it almost on move, it means alot when u play low level content (level 1-60) or playing as conjurer (who does not have instacasts besides swiftcast)

Agree with this.

I also have noted that merging Solace/Rapture with Cure 2/Medica makes no sense considering sometimes you want to save the Lily for an upcoming movement and don't want to be forced to burn it early. While chain casting Dia while moving IS technically a DPS gain (depending on if you're overwriting a buffed snapshot Dia or not, I guess...), it's not much of one and isn't Ruin 2. It's still a movement tool for WHM, but a lesser option than using a Lily.

I wouldn't mind if a Trait upgraded Cure 1 to Cure 2 IF AND ONLY IF Cure 2 maintained Cure 1's cast time (1.5 sec) and MP cost (400). Though I wouldn't mind THAT since WHM should be the one that has the big and MP efficient heals, not AST.