A summary of healer issues

[Kolaina]

Hmm, when something doesn't fit with what I usually see or experience I'd rather check whatever records I have on hand, seems pretty reasonable rather than relying on my rather faulty memory.

What didn’t fit exactly? That this individual had a bad experience on the healer forum and decided not to return? I’m sure we need to check the records for how a person felt. Not that there’s anything in that statement that needs to be fact checked. Nothing that needed to be rehashed into a sequel of old drama

[IDontPetLalas]

What didn’t fit exactly? That this individual had a bad experience on the healer forum and decided not to return? I’m sure we need to check the records for how a person felt. Not that there’s anything in that statement that needs to be fact checked. Nothing that needed to be rehashed into a sequel of old drama

To refresh your memory the post in question included "I visited the healer forums once. It was an echo chamber of salt. And when I dared speak my own opinion about how I liked healer as it is now, they got extremely vitriolic".

So what is unclear, that this person had a post with *one* person in whhich there was a disagreement, rather than "they = more than one person" , and that a disagreement does not equate to a personal attack or "extreme vitriol"?

Not to mention, if you are concerned about drama , maybe try to avoid using terms like "jerk" and " twitter-esque drama"?

[Rolder50]

Healing in this game is currently the worst healing of any MMO I have ever played. Though most of that comes down to the unbearably scripted fight design more then the healers themselves.

[Renathras]

Though most of that comes down to the unbearably scripted fight design more then the healers themselves.

I think this is the crux of it. It's also why solo healing Ultimates is possible at all - because of how scripted the fights are. No matter how hard to learn they are, they play out the same way (or almost the same way with minor variations in cases of fights like SoS Extreme). To a point, games can't be infinitely variable, but when the fights are scripted and the design intent is people learn the mechanics to where they take almost no damage (since so much is avoidable and NOT avoiding something is pass-fail and often an outright KO), then it majorly cuts down on healing, making the kits and encounters somewhat disjointed.

Though that is only part of it - FFXIV fights have mostly always been this way, but it wasn't AS much of a problem in the past. The issue now is compounded by how much free healing Tanks and DPS have, as well as how many and how powerful oGCD healing Healers have. It makes the damage to health bars/refilling health bars part of healing trivial for the most part - if people AREN'T getting hit by avoidable mechanichs or collected vuln stacks, it's relatively easy to keep their health topped off - which, in turn, leads to a weird situation of you only have "excitement" healing when everything's going wrong, but when everything's going that wrong, you tend to wipe anyway. Conversely, once people have mastered the fight, there's little to do because the fights are designed to have very little unavoidable healing, relative to the Healer oGCD toolkits + Tank/DPS oGCD toolkits if we're just talking unavoidable damage.

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You're kind of proving them right, you just don't realize it...

[Sebazy]

Though that is only part of it - FFXIV fights have mostly always been this way, but it wasn't AS much of a problem in the past.

That's not entirely true. Don't forget that crits on tanks used to be a thing, as well as a lot more bosses having secondary non telegraphed tank busters that were on their own cooldown independent of anything else the boss was doing (Although in some cases would effectively queue to land alongside a cast ability).

[Kolaina]

To refresh your memory the post in question included "I visited the healer forums once. It was an echo chamber of salt. And when I dared speak my own opinion about how I liked healer as it is now, they got extremely vitriolic".

So what is unclear, that this person had a post with *one* person in whhich there was a disagreement, rather than "they = more than one person" , and that a disagreement does not equate to a personal attack or "extreme vitriol"?

Not to mention, if you are concerned about drama , maybe try to avoid using terms like "jerk" and " twitter-esque drama"?

So they said they liked healer. Guess we are fact checking opinions now /thumbs up

[IDontPetLalas]

So they said they liked healer. Guess we are fact checking opinions now /thumbs up

Nice attempt to distract from what I quoted-ever hear of the red herring logical fallacy by the way? In any case I'm not interested in any one-upmanship, and by far most people in the healer forums are more invested in positive discussion on healer jobs because there is still a hope that some of it may reach the ears of people who can introduce some improvements ergo there is no mythical "echo chamber of salt" - which, mind you- does not say that there are no complaints.

[DragonFlyy]

Why post here? No one at SE reads these forums.

[IDontPetLalas]

@Renathras, if anything, that "quote" is a stellar example of how to rebut someone in bad faith.

[Silver-Strider]

I manage to save people many times in 50 level alliances/trials with Cure1 only coz of 0.5 second faster cast, this 0.5 second allowed me to apply heal right before Boss mass AOE hits the target, other time it allowed to heal almost on walk, while I was avoiding tricky mechanics myself.

That's an easy fix honestly. Just make Cure 2 have the same cast time. The fact they made the cast time changes to Glare and not the whole kit was just a bizarre change really.