A summary of healer issues

[ty_taurus]

This is exactly a main part of the reason they can't make things more ngaging for high-end healers. The skill ceiling is so low and yet there are still so many people who can't reach it.

My co-healer in Euphrosyne last night died to every mechanic because they couldn't even heal themself. I was handling the rest of the party, but they couldn't heal themself. They would die and not use tetra or bene on themself when rezzed. The only "cure" they casted was Cure III. And that was only when they were missing health. And they would cast 3 medica 2s in a row. The only reason to cast medica 2 is for the regen. The regens don't stack. It's a pitiful heal otherwise.

I saw them assize once. Just medica 2 and cure 3. And no, I'm not kidding when I say they used cure 3 to heal only themself. The rest of the party was full every time.

You explained an anecdote of someone who is failing to perform the game at a foundational level. No amount of more or less DPS buttons will do anything to resolve that, so why should healers be barred from ever improving their DPS gameplay because some fringe examples of players cannot comprehend how to dodge combat mechanics?

[Silver-Strider]

This is exactly a main part of the reason they can't make things more ngaging for high-end healers.

I'd argue the opposite. These people already aren't hitting their DPS buttons so whether it's 1 or 100 buttons is irrelevant to them. You already have healers that don't touch their DPS buttons in casual content as is and we can't really call them out on it without the ToS biting us in the ass for it, so whatever toxicity that could amount from the change already has a counter to it. You're not raising the skill floor for healers by giving them more to do during downtime. That only occurs if the healing demand is increased.

[Shurrikhan]

You're not raising the skill floor for healers by giving them more to do during downtime. That only occurs if the healing demand is increased.

Technically... perhaps not even that.

The less of healers' damage output is bound up in their filler attack, the lower the relative penalty of excess healing GCDs.

And when it comes down to it, one could just not hit their DoTs if they idled too long and now need to heal when their last application's duration has just elapsed.

Healing requirements don't have any particular anti-synergy with more offensive or non-healing buttons.

[Mcg55ss]

No idea how healing is...still trying to lvl up jobs and tanks ATM

[Gemina]

No idea how healing is...still trying to lvl up jobs and tanks ATM

I recommend leveling a healer and spending a good portion of time in both leveling and max level content. Try out some Unreal and EX, or even Savage if you're up to it. Then come back to this thread and compare your experience to what most people are saying here.

[Mcg55ss]

At some point you unfortunately just have to put your foot down and tell players to "get good" or your game will be in an endless spiral of making everything dumber than previously.

Ghostcrawler tried that with WoW when it went from wrath to cata...best forum comment from a developer I ever saw

[Sebazy]

Yoship did roughly that with 2.0 Warrior as well.

Granted it didn't go too well

[Absurdity]

Yoship did roughly that with 2.0 Warrior as well.

Granted it didn't go too well

Would've probably worked better with a job that was actually functional.

[Kolaina]

At some point you unfortunately just have to put your foot down and tell players to "get good" or your game will be in an endless spiral of making everything dumber than previously.

Unfortunately that’s reportable. I had no issue before offering people advice. Now I just kick them in silence. Better than getting a ban for saying a wrong word

[Absurdity]

Unfortunately that’s reportable. I had no issue before offering people advice. Now I just kick them in silence. Better than getting a ban for saying a wrong word

I am not talking about players putting their foot down and telling people to get good, but the developer. After all they're the ones that have to perpetually invest resources into redesigning the game for people who don't actually want to play a game and make the experience worse for everyone else.

For players the process is quite simple, if it is more effective for me to use my MP and GCDs on anything else than it is to constantly scrape you off the ground then you will be staying down there.

I can deal with a player that isn't even trying. I can not deal with a developer that changes the entire game for those players.