Some MMO we have

[LianaThorne]

What I actually don't get is the venue hate. Every MMO ever made tends to become a bit of a social hub with time. The way XIV does housing lends itself to people opening places for those that want to come hang out. It's just the nature of an MMO. I get what you're saying with the other tabs, but where a venue can happen any day at any time, battle content depends on a lot of varying factors such as time of day, DC, time of week (reclears) and a lot of content gets match made via Duty Finder rather than PF. Some people also legit dislike using PF to do EX/SVG and prefer to do premades, even just casually. It varies.

I guess some may call me a shill, and go ahead if that's what floats your boat. I just don't like using single graphs/images to make absolute statements about the game's health. I think the best opinions are built upon different sources of data, doing some analysis, and considering as many variables as possible, though you're free to post whatever you feel like, of course. Maybe you just have a hate boner or something? I don't know, I may be wrong and I do apologize if I got the wrong idea, but it comes across a bit like that. And with how much people antagonize each other (for seemingly no reason) I usually find posts like this to be rather... "dull" I think it's the word I'm looking for? A single image doesn't tell the whole story of any game, and any meaningful conversation gets lost in the middle of often times simplistic absolute statements.

*Edit: I miss HM Dungeons, honestly. They were perfect as Midcore content, and allowed for new stories to be told in remixed dungeons that we got to explore with some unique mechanics here and there. I wish these made a comeback.

Speaking off my own opinion, I genuinely think the venue community exists to profit off players, not for the sake of RP as some would claim. It was understandable during the peak of the pandemic that venues would crop up to replace actual ones irl but I think a large majority that exist now exist simply because they realized there's gil in it or actual cash if we look at the DJ side of things via Twitch. It just doesn't sit right with me to profit off a community that used to just be free and open to everyone and now there's hardly any kind of non-monetized RP left. It's just sad coming from where it used to be a couple years ago where there was much more variety and now there's only clubs and brothels.

I also think the venue community is up there in terms of toxicity and use the excuse of "RP" to hurt other people but that's an entirely other story.

[DiaDeem]

I also think the venue community is up there in terms of toxicity and use the excuse of "RP" to hurt other people but that's an entirely other story.

Got me thinking of all those Patrha drama stories on YouTube.

It's just sad coming from where it used to be a couple years ago where there was much more variety and now there's only clubs and brothels.

I genuinely feel that after the Asmongold arrival, most people got the idea that "XIV RP = Dance Club+ERP" and nobody ever stopped to pay attention to the small taverns, cafes and other smaller places that there were. Some remain.

[Avoidy]

Normally I'd be the last one to make one of these posts, but OP is referencing the dungeon tab of the PF window while the raids/trials tabs both had people in them trying to do things. Meanwhile, another poster on NA (aether) posted their PF window and it had over 100 raid groups trying to do content. The guy who posted crystal's dead PF afterwards is right about it being dead, but that's only because DC travel allowed aether to basically become THE pf hub; people literally leave their home dc and travel to aether when they want to do stuff now, in the same way people come to crystal when they want to get their dick wet in a venue.

That said, I agree that this game actually needs a wider variety of things for caught-up players to do in times like these. I just think posting PFs is a weird metric since you guys keep posting tabs that are never occupied anyway, or you're posting from DCs where nobody even plays the game.

[Saraide]

Game ded, pls shut off.

I dont understand this fixation with player numbers tbh. That's the dev's job. You cant do their job for them. You cant care more about player numbers than the people responsible. It just doesnt work.
I reject the notion that we need to drive up player engagement at any price. That's actively advocating for the game becoming worse.

[MementoKoishi]

I dont understand this fixation with player numbers tbh.

It is a problem when you're trying to make a group for savage and have to wait 2 hours to get a healer. Depends on the data center tbh.

[Kaurhz]

You could add 30 new dungeons tomorrow, 50 new guildhests, and ain't nobody going to use those 2 categories still. You'll get more success out of Blue Mage updates simply because you cannot go in with a matched party, just a fixed party.

Most content is simply designed in such a way wherein it's not even needed to use PF. I'm not sure why this is blown up to be something that is new or exclusive, has literally been the trend since as early as SB.

[Turnintino]

The PF maker prob just didn't realize DF was a thing, or they (incorrectly) assumed PF would be quicker than whatever their projected queue time was.

I'm on Excal myself, and I rarely queue for longer than 15 to 20 minutes as DPS, even when I'm running older content for leveling or WT -- as long as it's not in the middle of the night.

[hunkygladiator]

Game ded, pls shut off.

I dont understand this fixation with player numbers tbh. That's the dev's job. You cant do their job for them. You cant care more about player numbers than the people responsible. It just doesnt work.
I reject the notion that we need to drive up player engagement at any price. That's actively advocating for the game becoming worse.

Literally who said "at any price"

[Saraide]

It is a problem when you're trying to make a group for savage and have to wait 2 hours to get a healer. Depends on the data center tbh.

Isnt that more a problem of job design? If you can easily find players for the other roles but not for healer, then player numbers isnt the issue.

Literally who said "at any price"

Anything to keep player engagement levels up.

[Knot_D]

Add content to keep the game alive please.

Yeah sure just skip that 19 high end duties and just tab over dungeon. Why not just tab over the pvp one instead