The CODDLING of modern ShB/EW newbies has led to insane player skill stratification

[SassyAssassin]

You know…it’s not worth being hunky if your personality isn’t

[hunkygladiator]

You know…it’s not worth being hunky if your personality isn’t

I'm actually an egirl irl .。･:*:･(✿◕3◕)❤(◕ε◕✿)･:*:･。.
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[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Developers have coddled the playerbase again and again. They've dumbed down all jobs.

Really?
Even the Crafters and Gatherers?

MAN, we need to rise up and demand them to stop coddling the Crafters and Gatherers.
You know what needs to happen? We need a Crafters and Gatherers Ultimate, or a New DoL & DoH Raid Series.
Make the Jobs and Content Hard Again, there is no reason we dont Wipe against High Level Deposits. The Ocean Fishing Alliance Raid was a Good Attempt, but even Sprouts could Clear it without taking damage.

SE needs to do better.
Hopefully the Next Ocean Fishing Raid will be harder.

[hunkygladiator]

Really?
Even the Crafters and Gatherers?

MAN, we need to rise up and demand them to stop coddling the Crafters and Gatherers.
You know what needs to happen? We need a Crafters and Gatherers Ultimate, or a New DoL & DoH Raid Series.
Make the Jobs and Content Hard Again, there is no reason we dont Wipe against High Level Deposits. The Ocean Fishing Alliance Raid was a Good Attempt, but even Sprouts could Clear it without taking damage.

SE needs to do better.
Hopefully the Next Ocean Fishing Raid will be harder.

Uhhh lmao crafters and gatherers literally have never been easier. It probably took 5x as long to level to Omni 60 in HW than it took to level to Omni 90 in EW. And expert recipes today are still far easier than SB Whistle While You Work on Ala Mhigan recipes.

Remember when Steady Hand was a thing? Remember when you had Ingenuity? Remember the whole Whistle mechanic?

[SassyAssassin]

I'm actually an egirl irl .。･:*:･(✿◕3◕)❤(◕ε◕✿)･:*:･。.
┗─y(◕‿◕✿)

Not sure I believe that…often do you rawr or uwu? (*ᴗ͈ˬᴗ͈)ꕤ*.ﾟ

[IckeDerTyp]

Whatever you're trying to say, be it bait or not - is just false :3

The things you describe are just a very tiny margin but why do I even bother?

Free post increase, that's why :3

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Uhhh lmao crafters and gatherers literally have never been easier. It probably took 5x as long to level to Omni 60 in HW than it took to level to Omni 90 in EW. And expert recipes today are still far easier than SB Whistle While You Work on Ala Mhigan recipes.

Remember when Steady Hand was a thing? Remember when you had Ingenuity? Remember the whole Whistle mechanic?

I actually dont, and the only reason I raised Crafters & Gatherers was for Ishgard Restoration, Ocean Fishing, and Beast-tribes.
All of which, having rewards I wanted.
And the Beast-Tribes were actually pretty fun.

Theres someone with a Signature that says "I raised a crafter just for the Dwarf Tribe. No Regrets"
And I could agree more~ That and the Namzu.

[Silica-chan]

Remember when Steady Hand was a thing? Remember when you had Ingenuity? Remember the whole Whistle mechanic?

Old crafting was more annoying rather than challenging. Failing multiple hasty touches, even with steady hand was not a difficulty you could overcome with skill since it was just pure rng.
All you could do to fight against this was trying to go crazy on the materia melds, which were, and still are, heavy rng ob the success rate.
I sure as hell don‘t miss redoing high level crafts multiple times (with reclaim back then) just get decent hasty touch, or good condition + tricks of the trade rng to complete something.

[hunkygladiator]

Old crafting was more annoying rather than challenging. Failing multiple hasty touches, even with steady hand was not a difficulty you could overcome with skill since it was just pure rng.
All you could do to fight against this was trying to go crazy on the materia melds, which were, and still are, heavy rng ob the success rate.
I sure as hell don‘t miss redoing high level crafts multiple times (with reclaim back then) just get decent hasty touch, or good condition + tricks of the trade rng to complete something.

But that was only in Heavensward. Stormblood crafts are all macro-able, but there are ways to squeeze out even more profits with Reuse if you had great pentamelds (which were far more expensive back then), and you had the option to play with Whistle mechanics. It was accessible for both casual players and people who are into crafting. In order to appease the modern ShB/EW player, however, any sort of complexity is removed and what you get in Expert crafting barely makes up for the sophisticated Whistle mech.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

however, any sort of complexity is removed and what you get in Expert crafting barely makes up for the sophisticated Whistle mech.

Sounds less like Complexity, and more like pure nonsense.
RNG is not a good or Fun Mechanic. If I have to macro and get expensive pentamelds to succeed, then the job wasnt good to begin with.