So why are the crafter relics.. bad.

[Jojoya]

This is the most cope and seethe coment you could write. Yes, you can isolate the primary tool, because you would need ALL OF EM to make the rest of the gear worth changing melds. You cant just change your normal gear melds just for oONE tool. Would that be worth the time invesment, when I was already crafting 510 HQ gear without any HQ mats? Heck no. So stop. You are just embrassing yourself.

Wow, we've met someone who isn't an Omnicrafter. I didn't realize there was anyone still left out there doing end game crafting without leveling all the DoH classes.

If someone makes a relic tool for use, they're going to end up making them all. It's not like it's difficult anymore than leveling up a crafting class is difficult. So yes, the gear ends up worth changing because you will be retaining the same stats on all the DoH classes outside of the minor increase from having Soul of the Crafter equipped.

For you it was not worth the time investment because you were only crafting 510. If I had been only crafting 510, I probably wouldn't have changed either. But I wasn't. I was grinding out Expert recipes for Castle in the Sky, and that made the change more than worth it.

If you had read what I posted, you would see that I'm sticking with my pentamelded Indagator for now. I don't see the current version of the relic tools as useful enough since I'm not currently doing Expert. If I was doing Expert, then I would have gotten them.

But I'm not going to rule out that the future versions of the relic tools won't be worth getting to replace my Indagator primaries. We haven't seen the stats on those tools or whether the bonus has changed. We haven't seen the 640 recipes yet. We haven't seen what new Expert recipes are getting added.

Please go cringe at yourself in a mirror for coming across as someone who only macro crafts and thinks that Exarchic was the pinnacle of crafting difficulty in Shadowbringers.

For expert crafts, these new tools are hands-down far better than pentamelded tools. On some other thread I did the math out. You need to use one touch ability on one good condition (at IQ stack of 2 or higher) for the crystalline tools to surpass the pentamelded tools. The lower control (presumably, there's control on a pentamelded Indagator tool) is offset by just 1 Good-condition Touch. Everything after that is gravy.

They'll become even better as the tool is upgraded further while the Indagator Tool stays the same.

I agree they're better for Expert.

My problem is I don't see the current Expert recipes as worth the effort. I'm happier waiting to see what other Expert recipes we get and what the final version looks like before I commit to getting them.