So why are the crafter relics.. bad.

[VeyaAkemi]

then there is indeed an enjoyable aspect to crafting that you're not admitting to.

If you consider that to be an espect of crafting, then maybe that's it, but I don't, because I am talking the exact process of crafting, the exact process of knowing which buttons to pick from, personally, I don't find joy in that, it's predictable and dull, but I do find joy in finishing my own crafts, which I don't consider the same as enjoying crafting, macros allow you to skip the process of crafting, while keeping all other benefits of crafting, which I enjoy.

I also crafted every single one of my Indagator pieces myself, I got Perfectionist gear as a stepping stone by using my Custom Deliveries to get Purple Scrips, set up timers to gather every item, every last item got myself, I also did not do a single manual craft in the entire process, because I was doing that at level 70-ish for other things, and it was miserable, I would be substantially happier if crafting in XIV was like in other games where you just hit a button and it goes off on its own, but I still feel accomplished by going through the process of managing my items and gathering my resources, but going through a repeated, dull minigame over and over to get my things? nah I will do without.

[Gemina]

If you consider that to be an espect of crafting, then maybe that's it, but I don't, because I am talking the exact process of crafting, the exact process of knowing which buttons to pick from, personally, I don't find joy in that, it's predictable and dull, but I do find joy in finishing my own crafts, which I don't consider the same as enjoying crafting, macros allow you to skip the process of crafting, while keeping all other benefits of crafting, which I enjoy.

I also crafted every single one of my Indagator pieces myself, I got Perfectionist gear as a stepping stone by using my Custom Deliveries to get Purple Scrips, set up timers to gather every item, every last item got myself, I also did not do a single manual craft in the entire process, because I was doing that at level 70-ish for other things, and it was miserable, I would be substantially happier if crafting in XIV was like in other games where you just hit a button and it goes off on its own, but I still feel accomplished by going through the process of managing my items and gathering my resources, but going through a repeated, dull minigame over and over to get my things? nah I will do without.

OK. Now it is more clear. See, I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt and not lump you in with a set of players who want to reap the rewards with crafting using minimal effort.

It would seem that by providing you with an example of how I find crafting fulfilling, you were able to let me know that you derive a sense of accomplishment through gathering your own materials to craft your wares which you personally use in the game. This has absolutely nothing to do with gil. The game's currency as you well know, is worthless. You cannot take any of it with you when log out of the game. There has to be something else; something of substance that you take with you that would have you use a term like, "a means to an end." Even more so when considering you pay real money and use your own time to play FFXIV.

I enjoyed this little back a forth, and thanks for taking the time to explain.