So why are the crafter relics.. bad.

[Dikatis]

Crafted HQ saw:
Craft: +1208
Control: +638
CP: 0
Materia Slots: 5

Relic:
Craft: +1208
Control: +638
CP: +7
Materia Slots: 0

So you just meld.. one CP7 onto your HQ tool and its already 4 slots better than the relic since the 'increases to Quality are 1.75 timers higher than normal when material condition is good' is absolutely useless because everyone macro crafts.

Cmon.

It's just disappointing to see that the 'New' content just gives you downgrades over something that came out 4 months earlier.

Is it such a crime for a 'Relic' to be better than something you buy off the marketboard for 0 effort?

Square Enix can do better.

I mean... did you read the part where the crafting relic improves the effectiveness of good quality procs? Or the part where the gathering relics increase the likelihood of a collectability boost happening? Because I feel like you have a bad tendency to stamp and shout and rage for nothing.

At worst, it's a sidegrade. You lose a bit of raw stat total for a nifty effect that's situationally useful. Besides, if the Crystalline Tools follow the same path as the Resplendent Tools, there will be one more upgrade.

[DixieBellOCE]

I mean... did you read the part where the crafting relic improves the effectiveness of good quality procs? Or the part where the gathering relics increase the likelihood of a collectability boost happening? Because I feel like you have a bad tendency to stamp and shout and rage for nothing.

At worst, it's a sidegrade. You lose a bit of raw stat total for a nifty effect that's situationally useful. Besides, if the Crystalline Tools follow the same path as the Resplendent Tools, there will be one more upgrade.

Who sits there and individually crafts each step with the hope that 'good quality' comes up during the quality part of the craft, which will save ONE STEP of the entire manual craft, when you can just press a macro and do something else for the 30-45 seconds the craft takes.

For macro crafting, its a complete downgrade, and if you are manually craafting, you already putting yourself at such a stupid disadvantage to other crafters.

On the note of GATHERING relics, completely off the topic of the CRAFTER relics which the thread is about, they are honestly fine, if you are somebody who does collectables they are actually worth using.

[Dikatis]

Who sits there and individually crafts each step with the hope that 'good quality' comes up during the quality part of the craft, which will save ONE STEP of the entire manual craft, when you can just press a macro and do something else for the 30-45 seconds the craft takes.

For macro crafting, its a complete downgrade, and if you are manually craafting, you already putting yourself at such a stupid disadvantage to other crafters.

For Expert Crafting it's extremely strong to have that bonus. While you can brute force it for Ishgard Restoration, you can't if you want things like the Otter Fountains. Hence sidegrade.

And let's be honest, under most circumstances the difference in stats won't be that noticeable except in extreme high-end crafting. At worst you take an extra step. Again, you're making a scene for nothing.

[DixieBellOCE]

For Expert Crafting it's extremely strong to have that bonus. While you can brute force it for Ishgard Restoration, you can't if you want things like the Otter Fountains. Hence sidegrade.

And let's be honest, under most circumstances the difference in stats won't be that noticeable except in extreme high-end crafting. At worst you take an extra step. Again, you're making a scene for nothing.

So the only reason for the relic to exist is to make it slightly better to make otter fountains and to do later relic steps.

Yeah thats not a good design for a current tier relic.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

Who sits there and individually crafts each step with the hope that 'good quality' comes up during the quality part of the craft, which will save ONE STEP of the entire manual craft, when you can just press a macro and do something else for the 30-45 seconds the craft takes.

For macro crafting, its a complete downgrade, and if you are manually craafting, you already putting yourself at such a stupid disadvantage to other crafters.

I manually craft because it has always been faster to do so and I have high enough stats where I don't need to hope for anything. I got all the relics because they looked cool and were better than what I had, and I'll be getting the Indagator set when I feel like it. I don't have to deal with some <wait.1.4.2.6.3.3> when I can just use the skill with my own hands as soon as the grey vanishes.

[BlackenedTiamat]

I need to get into the habit of manually crafting as well. So much faster

[Oldschoolegamer38]

Who sits there and individually crafts each step with the hope that 'good quality' comes up during the quality part of the craft, which will save ONE STEP of the entire manual craft, when you can just press a macro and do something else for the 30-45 seconds the craft takes.

For macro crafting, its a complete downgrade, and if you are manually craafting, you already putting yourself at such a stupid disadvantage to other crafters.

On the note of GATHERING relics, completely off the topic of the CRAFTER relics which the thread is about, they are honestly fine, if you are somebody who does collectables they are actually worth using.

I like to take my time and do it manually, and yes I do use crafting macros on the easier crafts, but when crafting things that are hard to do I take my time and do it manually step by step to make sure I can squeeze out every bonus possible, why would folks pass over the potential to finish a craft earlier if you get great or excellent condition bonus? Rushing your crafts doesn't make it better it shows how impatient one is, and besides it took me a few times on some pieces before I HQed a few pieces from the current crafting and gathering set.
*side note* the Crystalline tool's passive is noticeable when you are trying to HQ an item or when finishing up a craft...So don't let the loss of materia slots fool you, you are trading in material slots for a bonus when used at the right time can shorten steps , that is something to think about. Also, brute forcing a craft is not always the way to go.

There is a US infantry saying: slow is steady, steady is smooth, smooth is fast. take time to think about that saying and you might understand what I am getting at...

[Oldschoolegamer38]

How about more options, more choices than just one set? Sets center around one stat or another and also a relic passive loadout with the use of passives with more relic pieces the more passive bonuses on top of the stats the gear provides like set gear sets in other games when you get 2-3 pieces you get a set bonus and the more pieces you get the more bonuses are unlocked. they all can do high-end crafting just have to change around the crafting rotation based on the gear set. something along those lines