So why are the crafter relics.. bad.

[DixieBellOCE]

Crafted HQ saw:
Craft: +1208
Control: +638
CP: 0
Materia Slots: 5

Relic:
Craft: +1208
Control: +638
CP: +7
Materia Slots: 0

So you just meld.. one CP7 onto your HQ tool and its already 4 slots better than the relic since the 'increases to Quality are 1.75 timers higher than normal when material condition is good' is absolutely useless because everyone macro crafts.

Cmon.

It's just disappointing to see that the 'New' content just gives you downgrades over something that came out 4 months earlier.

Is it such a crime for a 'Relic' to be better than something you buy off the marketboard for 0 effort?

Square Enix can do better.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Um...because they're obviously more steps to it later down the road? We dont get anymore crafting tool updates till 7.0 So by next patch, the relic tools will be better than the indigator tools by stats and bonuses.

Speaking of which, yeah you also do realize the relics themselves have attached bonuses to stuff right?

[DixieBellOCE]

Um...because they're obviously more steps to it later down the road? We dont get anymore crafting tool updates till 7.0 So by next patch, the relic tools will be better than the indigator tools by stats and bonuses.

Speaking of which, yeah you also do realize the relics themselves have attached bonuses to stuff right?

If you are refering to the 'Increases to quality are 1.75 times higher when the material condidition is good' then the bonus is actually a complete waste of time because Macro crafting exists and there is no need to manually craft each step when you can just hit 1 button and afk to get the same result.

The next tier of crafting recipes release with patch 6.4, and will be crafted, sold and outdated LONG BEFORE THE NEXT RELIC STEP even releases.

The relics are literally pointless. And that is a sad thing to see. The Relic should be your BiS item when its required, not 4 months after.

[Dikatis]

Crafted HQ saw:
Craft: +1208
Control: +638
CP: 0
Materia Slots: 5

Relic:
Craft: +1208
Control: +638
CP: +7
Materia Slots: 0

So you just meld.. one CP7 onto your HQ tool and its already 4 slots better than the relic since the 'increases to Quality are 1.75 timers higher than normal when material condition is good' is absolutely useless because everyone macro crafts.

Cmon.

It's just disappointing to see that the 'New' content just gives you downgrades over something that came out 4 months earlier.

Is it such a crime for a 'Relic' to be better than something you buy off the marketboard for 0 effort?

Square Enix can do better.

I mean... did you read the part where the crafting relic improves the effectiveness of good quality procs? Or the part where the gathering relics increase the likelihood of a collectability boost happening? Because I feel like you have a bad tendency to stamp and shout and rage for nothing.

At worst, it's a sidegrade. You lose a bit of raw stat total for a nifty effect that's situationally useful. Besides, if the Crystalline Tools follow the same path as the Resplendent Tools, there will be one more upgrade.

[DixieBellOCE]

I mean... did you read the part where the crafting relic improves the effectiveness of good quality procs? Or the part where the gathering relics increase the likelihood of a collectability boost happening? Because I feel like you have a bad tendency to stamp and shout and rage for nothing.

At worst, it's a sidegrade. You lose a bit of raw stat total for a nifty effect that's situationally useful. Besides, if the Crystalline Tools follow the same path as the Resplendent Tools, there will be one more upgrade.

Who sits there and individually crafts each step with the hope that 'good quality' comes up during the quality part of the craft, which will save ONE STEP of the entire manual craft, when you can just press a macro and do something else for the 30-45 seconds the craft takes.

For macro crafting, its a complete downgrade, and if you are manually craafting, you already putting yourself at such a stupid disadvantage to other crafters.

On the note of GATHERING relics, completely off the topic of the CRAFTER relics which the thread is about, they are honestly fine, if you are somebody who does collectables they are actually worth using.

[Dikatis]

Who sits there and individually crafts each step with the hope that 'good quality' comes up during the quality part of the craft, which will save ONE STEP of the entire manual craft, when you can just press a macro and do something else for the 30-45 seconds the craft takes.

For macro crafting, its a complete downgrade, and if you are manually craafting, you already putting yourself at such a stupid disadvantage to other crafters.

For Expert Crafting it's extremely strong to have that bonus. While you can brute force it for Ishgard Restoration, you can't if you want things like the Otter Fountains. Hence sidegrade.

And let's be honest, under most circumstances the difference in stats won't be that noticeable except in extreme high-end crafting. At worst you take an extra step. Again, you're making a scene for nothing.

[DixieBellOCE]

For Expert Crafting it's extremely strong to have that bonus. While you can brute force it for Ishgard Restoration, you can't if you want things like the Otter Fountains. Hence sidegrade.

And let's be honest, under most circumstances the difference in stats won't be that noticeable except in extreme high-end crafting. At worst you take an extra step. Again, you're making a scene for nothing.

So the only reason for the relic to exist is to make it slightly better to make otter fountains and to do later relic steps.

Yeah thats not a good design for a current tier relic.

[Atelier-Bagur]

If you are refering to the 'Increases to quality are 1.75 times higher when the material condidition is good' then the bonus is actually a complete waste of time because Macro crafting exists and there is no need to manually craft each step when you can just hit 1 button and afk to get the same result.

The next tier of crafting recipes release with patch 6.4, and will be crafted, sold and outdated LONG BEFORE THE NEXT RELIC STEP even releases.

The relics are literally pointless. And that is a sad thing to see. The Relic should be your BiS item when its required, not 4 months after.

Did you know that there's a little thing called "Expert Recipes" where you actually CANT MACRO them to do since you need to hit the buttons on the fly based on reactions of the item's condition? Looks like somebody didnt look into endgame crafting and just scrapped the surface of it.

How embarrasing.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

Who sits there and individually crafts each step with the hope that 'good quality' comes up during the quality part of the craft, which will save ONE STEP of the entire manual craft, when you can just press a macro and do something else for the 30-45 seconds the craft takes.

For macro crafting, its a complete downgrade, and if you are manually craafting, you already putting yourself at such a stupid disadvantage to other crafters.

I manually craft because it has always been faster to do so and I have high enough stats where I don't need to hope for anything. I got all the relics because they looked cool and were better than what I had, and I'll be getting the Indagator set when I feel like it. I don't have to deal with some <wait.1.4.2.6.3.3> when I can just use the skill with my own hands as soon as the grey vanishes.

[DixieBellOCE]

Did you know that there's a little thing called "Expert Recipes" where you actually CANT MACRO them to do since you need to hit the buttons on the fly based on reactions of the item's condition? Looks like somebody didnt look into endgame crafting and just scrapped the surface of it.

How embarrasing.

Well, consider how many expert recipes are currently in the game.

Anything below level 80, from patch 5.55 could just be brute forced through the use of macros using purple script gear. This includes the skysteel tool recipes.

Now how many endwalker expert recipes currently exist? And should a relic be designed around a niche crafting system that is barely used? No.

The relic should provide a perk that is used in every part of crafting, whether its something as simple as 'recipes have a 1% chance to save a material at completion for each step during the craft'