Are there any plans to fix the 'Haurchefant' localization?

[Telkira]

oh wow...you were uncomfortable with him as he is now so you want to force a whole countries values on the rest of the world and make them feel uncomfortable.

Do you even know what the phrase 'artistic and literary integrity' means? You seem keen on mischaracterizing me as 'forcing' values on someone else, when that's further from the truth. Those who are uncomfortable by such things can just not be bothered by it and learn to think critically/objectively and take it for what it is, or not consume it.
That way those who can/do appreciate it for what it is don't have to constantly worry about SE pandering to those who would more than likely consume it all the same, which is why I brought up the other 'problematic' elements of the game (which you made sure to accuse the playerbase of doing, rather than SE).

[Fawkes]

The character is not defined solely by his desire to get into the WoL's pants, he still does so much for you in the story and is largely the same. His sexual attitudes are there to serve as comedic relief which actually helps put the more serious aspects of the narrative and setting into question, if not just outright humorous. This falls more in-line with mere opinion. I see the value in that, and you would likely as well if you were given that and not this joke. I felt VERY uncomfortable by him being a 'bro' because it felt genuinely out-of-place. It just didn't feel right.

We also miss out on characterization for other characters, like when Haurchefant's innuendo goes completely over Alphinaud's head.

[Tehmon]

Well, look at the bright side, at least we don't have thousands of insecure straight men continuously making posts about how uncomfortable Haurchefant makes them. So maybe we lucked out in the end.

[Telkira]

Well, look at the bright side, at least we don't have thousands of insecure straight men continuously making posts about how uncomfortable Haurchefant makes them. So maybe we lucked out in the end.

Honestly, I would welcome that because then I could feel smug about calling them out for feeling insecure in their 'hetero'-sexuality over a video game.

I felt uncomfortable about Haurchefant being a 'bro' because, as a player, I didn't have much of a relationship with him to warrant that, in addition to all of the other narrative/scene elements which were botched or otherwise improvised to accommodate this deviation, which only made it more uncomfortable because it made me feel like I couldn't have faith in whether what I was playing was the 'real deal'.

I don't think it's unreasonable to feel like you're being deprived of something if elements of that thing were changed/altered to appease the concerns of those who are not you, especially when all of my other points are considered.

[Ravenblade1979]

Do you even know what the phrase 'artistic and literary integrity' means? You seem keen on mischaracterizing me as 'forcing' values on someone else, when that's further from the truth. Those who are uncomfortable by such things can just not be bothered by it and learn to think critically/objectively and take it for what it is, or not consume it.
That way those who can/do appreciate it for what it is don't have to constantly worry about SE pandering to those who would more than likely consume it all the same, which is why I brought up the other 'problematic' elements of the game (which you made sure to accuse the playerbase of doing, rather than SE).

you blamed a company for something the community has literally done. how blind are you in game. do you soley play on a console with blinders on not to know of uh..the M word in game that pc people use quite often. i don't care if they added a bent over lalafell..thats not lewding them. what the community has done by and large has though. you really need to accept this as fact. I mean, i can probably give you far more examples of games with the same type of setup with their characters but that don't mean they sexualizing them. the community is. I mean i can name off DOA, i can name off characters like mercy, i can name off actual cartoons. i can name off all sorts of media where it might look like they trying to sexualize but they aren't. the community and fandom is. why you think rule 34 exists?

i know what artistic inegrity means but do you know how the video game industry is ran. what limitations they have. what they have to go through when doing localization for the different countries? apparently you don't. you do know westerners don't even get nude models right. we don't allow it here. also we have had crude humor in games since before playstation but the japanese probably didn't know that. whoever it was made a decision because they probably didn't think the west could handle it. could they now....maybe some but you are more likely to find a massive amount of people who would stop playing or skip cutscnees to not have to put up with your precious og haurchefant. you are literally fighting for the old version to come back because you don't like the current version and think everyone should be subjected to it.

get it through your skull...this...will....never....happen. move on because again. this thread is long since over. you are either a good troll or just very bull headed and don't want to admit your idea probably isn't a good one nor be well recieved to anyone but yourself. you would rather make the rest of the world uncomfortable just for your happiness. a selfish reason really

[Saraide]

I genuinely think that nobody would be bothered as much if they just translated him as what he was in JP.

And you are wrong.

You're attempts at strawmaning are hilarious. You need to get better at that. Bro, you are hard coping when you go on about artistic integrity. Please get a mirror. Why do you think the way it is currently in the game is not the artistic intent? The apology post got made and the dialogues are the way they are now since i dont even want to count how many years. Weebs really did get too comfortable with the word losing all bite. I am also extremely unsurprised the two animes you bring up are goblin slayer and dragon maid. Just some of the worst authors imagineable.

[Ravenblade1979]

overall translation: i don't like the current haurchefant and want them to take the time away from current development to roll him back to og for my happiness. i am using terms like artistic integrity to try to make my case. i also try to bring up other stuff like square sexualizing npcs to make my case. i bring up anime and other such stuff because i have no actual argument. in the end i just don't like how a npc is and want the company to make me happy by reverting him. be darned the rest of the world. japanese find it funny, so should the rest of the world.

[Telkira]

you blamed a company for something the community has literally done.

Sexualize;(v)
make sexual; attribute sex or a sex role to.

Showcasing them in sexually-suggestive situations (prostitutes), even admitting that they are sexually active, is SE 'sexualizing' them. If they're being presented in a context that is deliberately intended to be sexually enticing, let alone suggestive, then that's a form of sexualization. Simply implying that they engage in sexual behavior falls within that literal definition, which SE has done more than in that regard. Simply looking at the way some of the outfits are designed implies this fact.

Square Enix sexualizes Lalafell, which many community members in the west find to be extremely problematic, yet the playerbase overlooks it and continues to enjoy the game and its content in spite of that. People still think Momodi is funny despite referring to genitalia and even having a male hyur lust after her.

They do this along with other races, namely M'iqote, which appear in the form of courtsans (prostitutes) throughout the overworld as generic NPCs and even quest giver NPCs. There's even a FATE where you escort one to her 'Jon'.
Various female lalafell characters, like Momodi, are very much depicted as being 'sexual beings', with Momodi in the Quicksands in Ul'dah herself even hinting at being a courtesan (prostitute) earlier on in her life.
There are other instances of this happening as well, from various Lalafell NPC dialog barks trying to 'score' with other characters, or the guy with the harem of M'iqote dancers whose monologues are sexualized.

This also extends to the way several character's outfits are designed, like the DNC outfit on Lalafell, or other outfits which were designed explicitly to carry those suggestive qualities.

[Telkira]

And you are wrong.

You're attempts at strawmaning are hilarious. You need to get better at that. Bro, you are hard coping when you go on about artistic integrity. Please get a mirror. Why do you think the way it is currently in the game is not the artistic intent? The apology post got made and the dialogues are the way they are now since i dont even want to count how many years. Weebs really did get too comfortable with the word losing all bite. I am also extremely unsurprised the two animes you bring up are goblin slayer and dragon maid. Just some of the worst authors imagineable.

But I'm not wrong, and I'm unsure you even know what 'strawman' even means, considering "weeb" has been an ad hominem attack leveraged at me from the beginning.
I have every reason to assume that people wouldn't care if Haurchefant were translated and presented in English and other languages exactly how he is in Japanese. I never said that they wouldn't be bothered, just 'as much'. People, especially western consumers, tend to overstate their discomfort with sexual matters because those are the values which were instilled into them by their native culture, but the fact that such things are not even honored by native members of it and certainly not by Japanese media even remotely to the extent that Westerners do, it can safely be discarded or not highly considered when localizing to the west.

I mean, come on. Have you never seen a PG-13 rated movie or watched shounen anime? It's literally so tame and the sexually-charged nature of his characterization are such a minor component of the scenes themselves that it's mind-boggling how ANYONE could look at it and shrug it off. Your character isn't a virtualized projection of yourself, it's a customizable character in an MMORPG whose options are all pre-set options. I understand that it feels more 'personal' to some people, but focusing solely on that facet of the character is not how it's intended to be interpreted.

[Saraide]

Sexualize;(v)
make sexual; attribute sex or a sex role to.

Showcasing them in sexually-suggestive situations (prostitutes), even admitting that they are sexually active, is SE 'sexualizing' them. If they're being presented in a context that is deliberately intended to be sexually enticing, let alone suggestive, then that's a form of sexualization. Simply implying that they engage in sexual behavior falls within that literal definition, which SE has done more than in that regard. Simply looking at the way some of the outfits are designed implies this fact.

Square Enix sexualizes Lalafell, which many community members in the west find to be extremely problematic, yet the playerbase overlooks it and continues to enjoy the game and its content in spite of that. People still think Momodi is funny despite referring to genitalia and even having a male hyur lust after her.

They do this along with other races, namely M'iqote, which appear in the form of courtsans (prostitutes) throughout the overworld as generic NPCs and even quest giver NPCs. There's even a FATE where you escort one to her 'Jon'.
Various female lalafell characters, like Momodi, are very much depicted as being 'sexual beings', with Momodi in the Quicksands in Ul'dah herself even hinting at being a courtesan (prostitute) earlier on in her life.
There are other instances of this happening as well, from various Lalafell NPC dialog barks trying to 'score' with other characters, or the guy with the harem of M'iqote dancers whose monologues are sexualized.

This also extends to the way several character's outfits are designed, like the DNC outfit on Lalafell, or other outfits which were designed explicitly to carry those suggestive qualities.

Are you trying to virtue signal here?