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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_R View Post
    I already stated that True North is one of the reasons why positionals seem pointless and that it should be more restrictive. With that, it also means you shouldn't necessarily be able to hit all positionals.
    No, this is a terrible take. If positionals are about "skill" and then you remove the ability to hit all positionals during a fight you now create a system of frustration for a player because no matter how good they are they will hit a dps loss with zero ways to mitigate it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_R View Post
    In what ways does it limit fight design? What is it about bosses that have a full ring that means you couldn't have positionals be relevant in them? Considering what we have had in the past, I see no reason why it would limit fight design.
    Limited or removal of true north would force boss designs to be more static. The reason why P2S for example is a circle is because of how you have to position yourself around the stage for mechanics and how often the boss jumps around. DRG for example, would be impossible to hit all their positionals in that fight which is WHY they made it a full circle target to remove positional requirements and it made for an interesting boss fight. I'd rather have that than the static design where a boss barely moves to account for positionals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_R View Post
    Now, for a fun take, does anyone expect to be able to keep a caster GCD rolling full time and lose no damage? No. Every time you clip the GCD, or have to move where you cannot cast, or even use a GCD on a weaker action (Reprise/Scathe), it is all potential damage loss. This is generally seen as accepted, however, if a melee misses a positional, suddenly, people start complaining. Hot take, you shouldn't necessarily hit every positional, in the same way casters won't necessarily be optimal in their GCDs. So why is it one is more accepted than the other?
    I can't speak for the other casters as I don't mess with them in end game, but yes as a BLM I fully expect you to keep your GCD's rolling and not clip GCD's. There are enough tools/instant casts available for when you need to move. The only fight where I wanted to pull my hair out this tier was P7S with the running back and forth to bait circles, but its still 100% doable to always have something casting.

    The only reason scathe is on my hotbar is to troll my raid leader so he sees that single scathe at the very end of the fight where I throw it out at 1% for the luls. Otherwise, if you're actually using scathe for mobility you're playing BLM wrong as you shouldn't even be wasting a slot for that skill.

    Your "hot take" on the positionals is still a garbage take.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Wouldn't that apply for nearly every basic increase to apm?
    • Kaiten? I just don't really see the benefit of it. It wasn't difficult to maintain and it didn't really add anything imo. If it stays, it stays, if they doesn't then it doesn't and nothing really changes if it goes.
    • Shinten? I just don't really see the benefit of it. It wasn't difficult to maintain and it didn't really add anything imo. If it stays, it stays, if they doesn't then it doesn't and nothing really changes if it goes.
    • The Forbidden Chakra / Enlightenment? I just don't really see the benefit of them. They're not difficult to maintain and they don't really add anything imo. If they stay, they stay, if they don't then they don't and nothing really changes if they go.
    • Edge/Flood of Shadow? I just don't really see the benefit of them. They're not difficult to maintain and they don't really add anything imo. If they stay, they stay, if they don't then they don't and nothing really changes if they go.
    Except kaiten had a direct impact in your resource management and rotation loop management. Stepping 1inch to the left or right to hit a positional isn't even close to the same kind of engagement.

    Shinten spam sucks and I wouldn't really miss it.

    I don't play the other jobs with those skills mentioned in end game so I won't comment on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aco505 View Post

    -What do you think you will do when there's no positionals? You are definitely not going to be dancing around the arena when no mechanics are going on.

    -Positionals at least keep you awake and give you extra layers of consideration while performing your rotation.
    -The same thing I do now... Stand in one spot and move 1inch to the left or right of the ring because you don't need to be fully at the flank or rear for positionals to count. Literally nothing changes other than the fact I no longer need to pointless move 1inch to the left or right of a circle and then pop true north during mechanics.

    -If you need positionals to keep you awake then there are bigger problems at play with combat engagement and boss designs.
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    Last edited by Ransu; 04-20-2023 at 11:20 PM.