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    Endwalker story doubt: spoiler alert

    So mommy hydaelin created the moon to transport us to safety if zodiark falls and metione succeeds in bringing the final days to earth.
    The moon was a vessel to transport PPL.
    If metione is singing the song of oblivion from light years away galaxies onto ethyris. How will running away on the moon help.
    If people manage to go far away via the moon ship, metione can still sing her song again onto our new destination.
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    The plan was to run and hide. IF they were found again, they could just move again. Ultimately running forever. Not a great solution, but one that could work for awhile at least.
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    Okay, three things here:

    A: You're assuming Meteion even knows about the moon enough to keep track of it. It wasn't there when she left as far as we know, and her despair waves weren't getting anywhere near it.

    B: You're also assuming Meteion cares enough to look, or even know if people would've left, and I genuinely don't think she does; I don't even get the idea she's keeping tabs on Etheirys now. Not only that, but recalibrating her aim to follow the moon actually goes against what her goal is anyway: to test Etheirys itself against the inevitability of death.

    Meteion's what I call a 'broken robot' character, even if she isn't that in a literal sense; she's got an outlook and plan that's rigid, completely logical and internally consistent, that happens to be utterly broken when looking at it externally. Therefore, if her goal was simply to aim and fire at Etheirys to prove it can't stand her oblivion, it doesn't really matter to her if people escape, nor to keep track of the people that do; the notion of escapees just aren't part of her logical series of parameters, nor are they relevant enough to her goal to factor in anyway.

    And C: Of course, we should also remember that Hydaelyn's Moon Escape Plan was ultimately a very visible and obvious (to the people on the Source; again, Meteion didn't see it) Plan B or C masquerading as the Plan A. Her goal was always to get us to follow Meteion and try to stop her, the moon was just a fallback that also existed to provide plenty of hope for the future and competent space-travelers. So the escape plan having some holes makes sense; if it was surefire and foolproof, it wouldn't be the backup plan.
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    It's unfortunate that, as an MMO, there isn't the opportunity to play through the 'bad ending' and reload your game like you can in single player RPGs.

    Scrolling yellow text alongside a chiptune rendition of the track 'Dynamis':
    And so, the people of Etheirys collectively buried their heads in the sand, much like the Amaurotine Convocation and the Nibirun had before them. The moon's survivors fled to the most distant corner of the universe, where they flourished for a time. The moon became a beacon of life. The survivors of the last remaining civilizations gathered at the purported utopia where humanity made its final stand, far away from the Endsinger's reach. Fatigued from their travels, the Warrior of Light reflected back at their journey and the sacrifices that their comrades-in-arms had made. It was a hard decision, to choose self-preservation over a life well-lived, and one that they couldn't ever quite shake the regret from. 'But was it worth it?' The little bird perched on their shoulder echoed their thoughts, as Ra-la sang the last of humanity's survivors to sleep.

    Jumpscare.
    Credits roll.
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    Last edited by Lyth; 04-10-2023 at 06:30 PM.

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    The plan was to flee because Venat didn't know Meteion's full intention. Running to another planet wouldn't have worked because her goal was to kill the entire universe, halting the cycle of life and rebirth. Meteion simply wanted to mercy kill this planet in particular but it's not like our planet was standing in the way of her universe ending goal.
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    I think it's a bit ambiguous whether her Despair-Bear-Stare was like a focused thing or just a general wave that could cover the entire universe. If the former, then the escape plan could work for a little while at least. If the latter, then it would obviously fail pretty fast, but I don't think anyone knew which of the two it was. And fleeing was always the back up plan, Plan A was for the Warrior of Light to be badass enough to fix things.
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    The best logic I can think of is that it's a deliberate "fake plan" (because she can't reveal the real one until the time loop says so) that still achieves the primary thing needed for the real plan: construction of a spaceship capable of reaching Meteion's nest, because that is the only thing that can actually halt the disaster.
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    Stop putting everything on 'time loop requirements', it's really uninteresting and reductive. C'mon, Venat's smart enough to come up with a multi-layered plan like this herself, don't take that away from her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stepjam View Post
    I think it's a bit ambiguous whether her Despair-Bear-Stare was like a focused thing or just a general wave that could cover the entire universe. If the former, then the escape plan could work for a little while at least. If the latter, then it would obviously fail pretty fast, but I don't think anyone knew which of the two it was. And fleeing was always the back up plan, Plan A was for the Warrior of Light to be badass enough to fix things.
    We know that things were focused very specifically on the Source, because we have a decent-ish sample size and know that nowhere else erupted into despair monsters. (The Nibirun got depressed enough to make one themselves, but that was more on them.) So we can reason that fleeing the planet would flee the End of Days, Meteion had a scope and it was one planet.

    That doesn't mean everywhere else is fine, of course, and there's decent evidence Meteion is also making the rest of the universe worse as well, but fleeing 'certain immediate doom' in favor of 'likely eventual demise' is still a step up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    We know that things were focused very specifically on the Source, because we have a decent-ish sample size and know that nowhere else erupted into despair monsters. (The Nibirun got depressed enough to make one themselves, but that was more on them.) So we can reason that fleeing the planet would flee the End of Days, Meteion had a scope and it was one planet.

    That doesn't mean everywhere else is fine, of course, and there's decent evidence Meteion is also making the rest of the universe worse as well, but fleeing 'certain immediate doom' in favor of 'likely eventual demise' is still a step up.
    Those worlds died before "our" Meteion even left Etheirys though. She mentions some of them in her report to Hermes. They were what drove her to madness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    Stop putting everything on 'time loop requirements', it's really uninteresting and reductive. C'mon, Venat's smart enough to come up with a multi-layered plan like this herself, don't take that away from her.
    Is that in response to me? That's just fact. At the point the WoL arrives in Elpis, they believe Hydaelyn's plan is to escape the planet. Therefore the WoL – and by extension, everyone in contact with the WoL – needs to be told that's the plan, even if Hydaelyn's real plan all along was to send them to fight Meteion.

    So when the Sharlayans come knocking, she tells them the plan is to escape, and sets them working on an interstellar-capable spaceship even though they allegedly only need to get to the moon and back.

    Only once the WoL has been to Elpis, she can speak freely without disrupting the WoL's knowledge as relayed to her back then, and she can reveal (or rely on us to find) that the true solution is to take the spaceship and go to Meteion's nest.

    What part of this is not ascribing a multi-layered plan to her?
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