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    Sakura Shirayukihime
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    Fix scholar and sage shields

    Scholar can not overwrite Sage's Eukrasian Diagnosis even if the shield from Adloquium is bigger, this does not really make sense because scholar can spread their Adloquium shield with deployment tacticts, Also sage can always overwrite the galvanize effect with Eukrasian Diagnosis no matter the size of the shield while as said before sch can never overwrite Eukrasian Diagnosis.
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    Last edited by SakuraShirayukihime; 04-09-2023 at 06:35 PM.

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    I've overwritten Sage Shields plenty of times as Scholar. It seems like whoever has their cast land last on the party is the one that sticks. If you're preparing well in advance and your cohealer is reacting to cast bars late you'll see their shields constantly rip away yours. They really do need a more elegant solution for double shield healers tho, but that would require healers getting attention and that's clearly not a priority in FFXIV
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    Sakura Shirayukihime
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    Succor and Eukrasian Prognosis can overwrite yes, but scholar cant overwrite Eukrasian Diagnosis
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    This is by design
    Sage can't get Adder Stings if you are able to overwrite Diagnosis.
    In Sage + SCH, Sage should be acting as pure heal unless they Zoe + Eukrasian Prognosis (Big Shield).
    It cost the same amount of time for Sage to just cast Prognosis (No Eukrasian).
    Though SCH can also use Emergency Tactics for pure healing.
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    Sakura Shirayukihime
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    sage can also get adder sting from aoe shields now and those can still get overwritten.
    At least for aoe shields it should go by highest hp shield, its stupid that sage can overwrite a spread adlo from a sch with their aoe shield, and its kinda annoying if in duty finder for example the sage puts 2 single shields on the tanks an you cant crit spread adlo of the tanks anymore.
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Quote Originally Posted by SakuraShirayukihime View Post
    its kinda annoying if in duty finder for example the sage puts 2 single shields on the tanks an you cant crit spread adlo of the tanks anymore.
    The tanks are the ones who benefit least from a super shield anyway. Not being able to hit them with it when they already have a basic shield isn't going to change the number of heals you spend on them after the sage shields break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    The tanks are the ones who benefit least from a super shield anyway. Not being able to hit them with it when they already have a basic shield isn't going to change the number of heals you spend on them after the sage shields break.
    i meant spreading the crit adlo from the tank, because having the extra crit effect on anyone besides the MT is kinda a waste
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    Miko Fukumoto
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    Yessss, barrier healer talk my fave...yummy
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    Miko Fukumoto
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    Personally, I would actually like more abilities from different healers to either "combine" or interact with each other more
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by deston07 View Post
    This is by design
    Sage can't get Adder Stings if you are able to overwrite Diagnosis.
    In Sage + SCH, Sage should be acting as pure heal unless they Zoe + Eukrasian Prognosis (Big Shield).
    It cost the same amount of time for Sage to just cast Prognosis (No Eukrasian).
    Though SCH can also use Emergency Tactics for pure healing.
    If this is indeed the case (and the way I play as well) then why is SGE given priority over SCH? They have access better "pure healing" than SCH.

    Tying Adderstings to shield depletion was a bad idea. I don't know where else they can go but it does pit two healers against each other and the Regen healers don't have to deal with this.

    Every healer combination works perfectly fine EXCEPT SGE/SCH.
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