Casual vs Hardcore

[Enfarious]

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What seperates casuals from hardcore shouldn't be time, it should be skill. We shouldn't even be using the terms "casual" and "hardcore;" we should be using the terms "good player" and "bad player" and "average player."...

Again, I hate the term. In XI we never said "hardcore" or "casual."
Either you sucked or you were good, it didn't matter if you were a full time student, full time worker, or both.
The good, the bad, and the average. Those were the players. There was no "hardcore" or "casual" and "who is SE going to make content for?"...

Where is the line between casual and hardcore?
2 hours a day? 4? 8? 12?
At which point does someone become hardcore?
Is it even time related?...
Edit in: What it should be:
This! The Good, The Bad & The Average. I've seen "Hardcore" players die stupidly on PLD cos they get caught by a group of frogs and can't get away from them. the thought of popping Tempered Will would easily save their ass but no. and countless other derps.
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Oh geez, another one of these? This argument has been going on for years!...

But it's all being argued for the wrong reasons. It shouldn't be time but instead skill.

I was going to say this, but I wasn't quite sure how to segue into it - but to the community I will say this. Don't confuse casual/hardcore with skilled/unskilled.

This is one of those issues that not many like to bring up without getting flamed to oblivion. There definitely needs to be content for both groups, and in 2.0 I believe we will start seeing those different content types. The hardcore players who put more time in (whether they play the game a lot or not) deserve to have that bad ass gear. They put in the time and effort to learn the content, overcome it, and put in the time required. I don't think the content should be dumbed down to easy-mode for others who don't have as much time. It's a little unfair. That's not to say a casual should not get the gear either. It should just take them significantly longer. Just because their casual doesn't mean they want easy-mode.

I've played MMOs for some time, and most of the time I have noticed that these two groups generally have different priorities due to the low amount of time they have. The hardcore might want the best gear possible so they spam Garuda 24/7 while say a casual wants to do Moogle or level their crafts/gatherers/get artifact gear (example).

All of the above, the line between casual and hardcore has been blurred so horribly by people that spend all their free time playing while others don't have as much time to play.

That's what made the balances decent in XI, content wasn't spammable, anyone that could put in 2~4 hours in one sitting could go do anything, if they won great, many failed miserably. It wasn't a matter of "Who can do it the most times in a week." it was "Who can succeed on a regular basis." Of course the flaw in this is the lack of content, and content that doesn't burn you out.

If you could only enter each dungeon once a day and fight each primal once a day, you'd still see the difference between people that play alot and the ones that don't. You can't do all 3 dungeons and all 3 primals in <2hrs w/o super planning and <20mins in each but instead we get to go as much as you want and hate that you don't get shit(that you actually want) 90% of the time, truly time sink content.

A 10% droprate once a day for "normal" runs with side sections/quests/content in the same dungeon that's significantly harder that would up the drop rate to 20/30/50/98%, keep the time limit so then being able to clear each "Side[boss|area|challenge]" would eat up some of that time, if you can't do it fast enough you don't get to tier drop rates.

Again content for the fast/skilled/strategic/well oiled groups while not locking out anyone because what, "They don't play enough." Come on this can't really be an honest desire. You don't play as much as me therefore you suck and don't deserve this gear...???