Casual vs Hardcore

[Eekiki]

The only hardcore things I like involve hempen ropes, bullwhips, and hot candle wax.

[HiirNoivl]

Oh! You like Shaker Villages?

[Eekiki]

Oh! You like Shaker Villages?

Aye.

/10char

[Jekyll]

Upon reading through most posts (the legible ones anyway), it seems like people confuse "hardcore" with skill. They have NOTHING to do with one another. Also, I'm surprised this thread is still going. Considering that from a 3rd person point of view it looks like a crippled kid fight on a special bus headed to Dairy Queen.

[Blossoming]

[ArkNova]

I dont think how many hours you play defines you as hardcore. I met a player that was fairly new to the game and helped her get her first Ifrit win. I logged and went to sleep and when I got back on she was still doing Ifrit. There was a 9 hour gap between when I saw her, does that mean she falls into the "hardcore" category? Can we please bring back the bad,good, or expert attitude instead of casual and hardcore titles because that's all it really is, just a title. I cant see anything wrong with having normal and (hard) mode raids. Your bad and good players will do normal mode and your expert players will do hard mode and when the time comes good players will take a try at hard mode raids. I dont think world NMs will be too big of a deal as I'm sure they will release NMs of different calibers. Are people upset because raids will be done by all types of players so there's a possibility there is no zone reserved for just pros? Regardless if you play 16 hours a day or just a few hours a day if you put in the time you deserve something out of it. I'm glad Yoshi is adding a token system for some content, XI had it to and I highly doubt you'll see weapons like the relics or gear like dark light armor get tossed into a token system. But really all Im hearing out of the posts that say "My gear doesnt feel important because a causal can get it" is "I deserve to be a special snowflake." I wanna thank Wobi for inspiring me to make this new signature and like the Human Torch says "Flame on!"

[Gramul]

Now, I don't really have much time to play this game, I've only beat Ifrit once on hard and I haven't even touched the hamlets, but that doesn't mean I should be allowed to get everything that people who spend days on this game get. I don't think that's right. I've chosen to spend my time on other things, why should I be given the same 'product' for a lower 'price'?

[Dargoth_Draconia]

I think it needs to be a difference between hardcore and casual players, why does the casual player that only plays 1-2 hrs a day or less should be able to get the same gear/weapon as the guy that loves the game and has nothing else to do than play...
I dnt think Im expressing my self right but, FFXI was really good at telling the community, "Hey this guy plays the game all day and deserves to have a better gear then you have"
For the FFXI community, we all know how hard was to get Ultimas or Omegas gear or Defeat AV (almost impossible), and not even mentioning getting the relic weapons...
That makes the guy who owns the gear/weapon proud of the time expended... and the community at the same time to look at this character with respect and say "Shit look at him, /wave or /bow".
I remember in wow playing about 1-2 hrs a day I had top gear... PVP and PVE... in about 3 months or so...
I also really like the fact of having HNMS to be share with the whole world... "World HNMs" (example: Vtra, fafnir( dropping the valuable ridill)) with a 3day window, 24hr window... that makes the gear/weapon dropped by that HNM more valuable then a boss on a close Dungeon...

Why should the guy who only plays 1-2 hours a day not be able to get the same gear/weapon as the hardcore guys? If you want a hardcore game then play a hardcore game. I hate to say by the way you didn't ever have top end gear in WoW if you play 1-2 hours a day, maybe in vanilla and only if you did PvP but PvE you are kidding yourself of course unless you rolled with a top tier guild who held your hand and gave you all the gear.

Anywho that aside HNMS like in FFXI are a thing of the past I would personally hate to see claim bots rule the day again just to please a few. There are better ways to go about and reach the same desired effect than setting the game up where only the cheaters can win. Though back to the top paragraph I don't per-say thing the casual player should be able to get the same gear in the same amount of allotted time but I don't think they should be cut off because they only have the ability to play the game for 2-3 hours a day. I work a 50-60 hour week job, so I should be punished for having to work more than you?

[Arc]

One of the things I like about XIV is that I can work (a lot) and still play the game when possible and make progress.

I was able to be "Hardcore" years ago when I was in high school and had no other obligations than "go to school at the same time every day" now it's hard to throw 5+ hours into a game every day.

How I wish I had no obligations and could sit at my computer forever, but that's not going to happen.

[syntaxlies]

But, the whole relic quest smells of "casual".

Casual Jimmy can get lucky and get stuff in a day, while hardcore Johnny couldn't get anything while spamming content in a week.

Luck is factored in the relic quest in several ways. However, casual jimmy will never get lucky enough to get a relic