Casual vs Hardcore

[Limonconcon]

I think it needs to be a difference between hardcore and casual players, why does the casual player that only plays 1-2 hrs a day or less should be able to get the same gear/weapon as the guy that loves the game and has nothing else to do than play...
I dnt think Im expressing my self right but, FFXI was really good at telling the community, "Hey this guy plays the game all day and deserves to have a better gear then you have"
For the FFXI community, we all know how hard was to get Ultimas or Omegas gear or Defeat AV (almost impossible), and not even mentioning getting the relic weapons...
That makes the guy who owns the gear/weapon proud of the time expended... and the community at the same time to look at this character with respect and say "Shit look at him, /wave or /bow".
I remember in wow playing about 1-2 hrs a day I had top gear... PVP and PVE... in about 3 months or so...
I also really like the fact of having HNMS to be share with the whole world... "World HNMs" (example: Vtra, fafnir( dropping the valuable ridill)) with a 3day window, 24hr window... that makes the gear/weapon dropped by that HNM more valuable then a boss on a close Dungeon...

[Chardrizard]

This isn't gonna end well... I sugges you run... far..

[RathSkybreaker]

He's opened that can chard.. let him find out for himself it's spoiled :[[[

[Gramul]

Thank you for actually knowing what casual vs core means.

And yeah. Someone who commits more time and effort won't bother playing if someone who hardley touches it can get the same shtuff. That's why I am in high praise of this relic weapon thing. It's something that will take a lot of time and work to get, and only players with enough patience will be allowed to get it.

[Wobi]

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Also, after checking your profile. Did you just start? A little early to start in on those "filthy casuals"

[Eliseus]

Although I agree, you live in a World now and days where being hardcore doesn't matter because you are the minority of the gaming community.

[TheFatHousecat]

I agree completely, +10 thread.

[FallenRaine]

Casual mode(easy mode) destroys the sense of accomplishment that could be greater. Doesn't have to be hard core balance would be nice though. Don't want to hand SE my cash so they just hand me the gear. what would be the point of playing?

like in ffxi pre wotg/abyssea getting 75 actually meant something afterwards it was like "oh well to the next job"

[Asiaine]

Perhaps the simplest answer might be:
There are not enough people who share that sympathy and believe that reward should correspond with time invested. And less so who would think that '40+ hours per week' as the baseline for hard core. Therefore a whole new model for play has to be adopted.

In other words: If SE catered to 'old school' 'hard core' gamers (or people with a lot of time to play) there would be too few people who would actually fit that model. Then there would be no people to play with. Then no game.

[Kaizlu]

Thank you for actually knowing what casual vs core means.

And yeah. Someone who commits more time and effort won't bother playing if someone who hardley touches it can get the same shtuff. That's why I am in high praise of this relic weapon thing. It's something that will take a lot of time and work to get, and only players with enough patience will be allowed to get it.

But, the whole relic quest smells of "casual".

Casual Jimmy can get lucky and get stuff in a day, while hardcore Johnny couldn't get anything while spamming content in a week.