Want to know why tank is almost always the role in need?

[Kes13a]

Not sure if I agree with that. Respect must be given to the tank too. There is this thing called "tank anxiety" where a lot of tanks are afraid they're going to mess up, myself included.

So, I have found the best course of action is two-step. The first is communication. The tank has to let the others know that they are uncomfortable with large pulls. The second is for the tank to be willing to go a bit out of their comfort zone. Instead of wall to wall pulls, pull two groups. The next pull, try three groups,etc...

Not directed AT you, but you replied to them lol, you know how it is...

I found the best way to deal with "tank anxiety" is friends.. especially if we are running someplace new.

if I am leveling my tanks, I rarely do roulettes because I am not dealing with people whose house is on fire.

if we are running something for the first time, especially new content, running with friends is also not going to inconvenience those same impatient people.

saves any anxiety and dealing with the people who speed run everything like its a contest, especially new content. sorry if taking your time and and actually experiencing and learning the place is considered "disrespectful" but the speed runners out there, but some people play a game to enjoy it.. weird huh?

[Xirean]

Not directed AT you, but you replied to them lol, you know how it is...

I found the best way to deal with "tank anxiety" is friends.. especially if we are running someplace new.

if I am leveling my tanks, I rarely do roulettes because I am not dealing with people whose house is on fire.

if we are running something for the first time, especially new content, running with friends is also not going to inconvenience those same impatient people.

saves any anxiety and dealing with the people who speed run everything like its a contest, especially new content. sorry if taking your time and and actually experiencing and learning the place is considered "disrespectful" but the speed runners out there, but some people play a game to enjoy it.. weird huh?

Please tell me you understand that people who want to double pull aren't speed runners and people who prefer to do double pulls are genuinely enjoying that content.

[ICountFrom0]

It's funny that one of the first replies is talking about how the "general opinion" here is that tanks arn't in control of the timing of a run... but folks get that view from the troll threads. Either troll threads that turn into huge arguments that the trolls pretend to win, or troll threads that nobody challenges because it's recognized as a troll thread.

Perhaps tanks ARE in need because people are tired of other people pulling enough to wipe the tank. Surely the tank knows how good, or bad they are at mitigation. Ever see the posts on that other reddit, the one the trolls banned from places hang out? They complain the most about tank + healer teams, that are carefully pulling just exactly what the tank and healer know they can handle, and ignoring the DPS who try to start fights. If the tank knows how much they can mitigate, and the healer knows how much they can heal, they still want to be the DPS that controls the speed somehow?

Over here if you see the complaint, they try to not be quite so obvious about it, but it is almost always a DPS that is doing the complaining. You almost never see a healer saying "go ahead, pull more" and being ignored, and then complaining on the forum.

So yha, of course tanking isn't happening as much. When DPS think they can just grab as much as they want, pull it back to the tank, and wipe the party because the tank wasn't pulling more then they could handle... and then the tank gets the blame for not being good enough?

[Renalt]

If the DPS want to pull more for me that's fine. They can help out but alternating their Arms Length to get that sweet slow on every single set of mobs.

Of course I tend to wall to wall anyway but hey if they want to lead it ill allow it if they at least do that one thing for me. You got bloodbath/second wind. Clean yourself a bit after I take those slowed down mobs from ya.

[Payadopa]

A slow tank is disrespectful to three others' time.

I'm not playing video games with efficiency in mind, sorry. People can use PF if they want to speed run.

[Miracle_Diva]

I'm not playing video games with efficiency in mind, sorry. People can use PF if they want to speed run.

I'm playing video games with efficiency in mind, sorry. People can use PF if they want to stop and sniff every flower on the way.

[SassyAssassin]

What are we fighting about today? I don’t have time to check the whole thread D:

[Tigore]

It has a 2 way topic. The first one is discussing why tanks are always the adventurer in need. The original poster was proposing it was because it was the other healers and DPS rudely pulling for the tank. It became apparent that they use Sprint during combat instead of for dragging the first group to the second one for wall to wall pulls. There have been a few arguments about whether non-tanks should pull or not. Most would agree that an accidental face pull is easily forgiven and they must at the very least drag the enemies to the tank. Bonus points if the DPS uses cooldowns like Second Wind, Bloodbath, Arms Length, Leg Graze slows, stuns and interrupts so the healer doesn't have to stress on the unconventional events.

I have actually used the stun when there was a spell NPC refusing to move for one of the level 50 dungeons. I decided to take care of it for my FC tank by singling it out with Midare Setsugekkas near the end of the pull and kick stunning it to remove the damage they were doing to us. The NPC pretty much died in the middle of the stun. I might of done it sooner, but I was on the other side of the mob of enemies taking care of AoE damage at first.

[rxantos]

My guess is that they needed a default when there is no one queueing (thus no adventurer in need). So they choose tank.
At least that's my experience. With healer, I gets an instant queue when it appears. With tank, I sometimes have to wait several minutes.

I also believe that when there is no one queueing a duty, they choose one at random so that there is no ridiculous wait. But their algo needs tweaking. I am sick tired of Crystal Tower on alliances raids.

[Tigore]

I can agree with the algorithm needing work on some roulettes. Some of the others seems to always default to one even if everyone already did it.

Level 90 roulette - Dead Ends. Almost without fail.
Leveling Roulette - For me, Ghimlyt Dark and Kugane Castle popped up a lot compared to others. If it was the more recent ones, it was almost always Vanaspati.