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  1. #31
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    kaynide's Avatar
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    Kris Goldenshield
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    This is a thing I have posted whenever this topic comes up…so far it’s been pretty on point:

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    My Assumptions:
    1) Jobs (or really any additions) are chosen based on what will sell the expansion/get fans excited. $$$
    2) Job choices are not forced to fill missing "gaps" in roles. (4 magical ranged including BLU before a 3rd physical ranged)
    3) The way roles are organized is fluid. (It used to just be Melee DPS and Ranged DPS)
    4) New jobs can be influenced by the place we're going. but this is not a requirement. (YoshiP was originally planning to do SAM in HW)


    Job History:

    2.0 (Initial Release)
    • 2 Tanks (WAR, PLD)
    • 2 Healers (WHM, SCH)
    • 2 Melee DPS (DRG, MNK)
    • 3 Ranged DPS (BLM, SMN, BRD)
    2.x
    • +1 Melee (NIN)
    • Jobs have balance of 3 Melee and 3 Ranged DPS
    3.0
    • +1 Tank (DRK)
    • +1 Healer (AST)
    • +1 Ranged (MCH)
    • Ranged reorganized to Magical Ranged and Physical Ranged
    4.0
    • +1 Melee(SAM)
    • +1 Magical Ranged(RDM)
    4.x
    • +1 Magic Ranged* (BLU) (Note this is a Limited Job)
    5.0
    • +1 Tank(GNB)
    • +1 Physical Ranged(DNC)
    6.0
    • +1 Healer (SGE)
    • +1 Melee (RPR)


    Current Situation:
    • 4 Tanks (WAR, PLD, DRK, GNB)
    • 4 Healers (WHM, SCH, AST, SGE)
    • 5 Melee DPS (DRG, MNK, NIN, SAM, RPR)
    • 3 Physical Ranged DPS (BRD, MCH, DNC)
    • 4 Magical Ranged DPS (BLM, SMN, RDM, BLU)*
      (Again, BLU is a Limited Job)

    Speculation:

    Regarding jobs as a whole, I expect...
    • Based on live letters, at least 1 DPS in each future expansion that has new jobs.
    • An expansion will come with only 1 job, or possibly none at all.
    • An eventual reorganization of jobs by GEAR SET.
    • An attempt to balance of total Melee and Ranged, divided into their armor sets.
    • BLU will be moved from "Magic Ranged DPS" to "Limited Job".
    • Not so many full new expansions left; maybe 2-3.
    Regarding new jobs, I expect the next expansion to have:
    • A Scouting melee DPS.
    Regarding new jobs, EVENTUALLY I would guess/I could see...
    • Ranger/Corsair/Marine: A ranged rifle user, wearing aiming gear, using the "bow-mage" mechanics. Possibly "Colonial Era" flavor. Possibly related to the "New World" to the west.
    • Mystic Knight: A dual-wielding, flashy sword user; probably scimitars or Khopesh. Possibly "Arabian Nights" flavor. Possibly related to Meracydia.
    • Beastmaster: An axe-wielding limited job, wearing Maiming gear. Obviously has pets.
    • Geomancer: A bell-wielding healer, using essentially Conjurer's base kit but reflavored heavily. Probably a "Shield Healer" using a revamped Stoneskin.
    Regarding new jobs, my personal wish list..
    • (New Job): A dual-crossbow-wielding, acrobatic trap user, wearing scouting gear. Something like Linkle or even Bayonetta.
    • (New Job): A shape-shifting job.
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    Last edited by kaynide; 04-06-2023 at 04:19 PM.

  2. #32
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    CKNovel's Avatar
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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    I understand the reasoning behind scouting but I really doubt it will get a job.
    I believe caster&ranged are a much higher priority. And since latest ranged was added in ShB, caster takes priority.
    Those are the only roles limited to 3 jobs after all and melee got a new job very recently.

    Tank role got a lot of attention lately, but if they don't add 2 DPS, it's most likely we would get one.
    Surely we'll get the Judge job, finally.
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  3. #33
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    Yeol's Avatar
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    Dr Yeol
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    Fisher Lv 100
    My guesses are Caster & Ranged DPS. Maybe it’ll help balance these categories as well.

    AST is getting a rework, i’m looking forward to playing it through 7.0 MSQ.
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  4. #34
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Firework View Post
    I agree with your point on tanks, but melee job distribution is based on gear, not role. We currently have 2 maiming, 2 striking, and 1 scouting. We're pretty much due for another scouting job
    That job need not necessarily be a melee job. A new ranger in scouting gear is a possibility, bringing the ranger count up to 4 while still giving NIN someone to split loot with.
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  5. #35
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    Kris Goldenshield
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    That job need not necessarily be a melee job. A new ranger in scouting gear is a possibility, bringing the ranger count up to 4 while still giving NIN someone to split loot with.
    I kind of envision it as a reverse Redmage, where the base attack pattern is melee, but ranged specials/mobility stuff. Maybe even a midrange character.
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  6. #36
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    Emrys Twinrova
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    Zalera
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
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    Speculation:

    Regarding jobs as a whole, I expect...
    • Based on live letters, at least 1 DPS in each future expansion that has new jobs.
    • An expansion will come with only 1 job, or possibly none at all.
    • An eventual reorganization of jobs by GEAR SET.
    • An attempt to balance of total Melee and Ranged, divided into their armor sets.
    • BLU will be moved from "Magic Ranged DPS" to "Limited Job".
    • Not so many full new expansions left; maybe 2-3.
    Regarding new jobs, I expect the next expansion to have:
    • A Scouting melee DPS.
    Regarding new jobs, EVENTUALLY I would guess/I could see...
    • Ranger/Corsair/Marine: A ranged rifle user, wearing aiming gear, using the "bow-mage" mechanics. Possibly "Colonial Era" flavor. Possibly related to the "New World" to the west.
    • Mystic Knight: A dual-wielding, flashy sword user; probably scimitars or Khopesh. Possibly "Arabian Nights" flavor. Possibly related to Meracydia.
    • Beastmaster: An axe-wielding limited job, wearing Maiming gear. Obviously has pets.
    • Geomancer: A bell-wielding healer, using essentially Conjurer's base kit but reflavored heavily. Probably a "Shield Healer" using a revamped Stoneskin.
    Regarding new jobs, my personal wish list..
    • (New Job): A dual-crossbow-wielding, acrobatic trap user, wearing scouting gear. Something like Linkle or even Bayonetta.
    • (New Job): A shape-shifting job.
    They've stated that jobs like beast master and puppet master would be limited if they ever ended up being added. We likely won't see them being added to the game

    I really wish people would stop suggesting a healer geomancer. It's never been a healer in any game it's ever appeared in and making it one would horrendously gut its potential. Historically, it uses weather and terrain magic in most games. There are also enemy geomancers that appear in Swallow's Compass and use traditional geomancy as attacks. If it were made a healer, it'd have 3 damage spells and a bunch of heals. Doesn't translate well to geomancy

    On the other hand, I believe they also stated something along the lines of them running out of traditional jobs to add and are starting to have to think outside the box for ideas for new jobs (after revealing RPR?), so we may end up seeing completely new jobs that have never appeared in the series
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    Last edited by Firework; 04-06-2023 at 05:20 PM.

  7. #37
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    Kris Goldenshield
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    Tonberry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firework View Post
    They've stated that jobs like beast master and puppet master would be limited if they ever ended up being added. We likely won't see them being added to the game

    I really wish people would stop suggesting a healer geomancer. It's never been a healer in any game it's ever appeared in and making it one would horrendously gut its potential. Historically, it uses weather and terrain magic in most games. There are also enemy geomancers that appear in Swallow's Compass and use traditional geomancy as attacks. If it were made a healer, it'd have 3 damage spells and a bunch of heals. Doesn't translate well to geomancy

    On the other hand, I believe they also stated something along the lines of them running out of traditional jobs to add and are starting to have to think outside the box for ideas for new jobs (after revealing RPR?), so we may end up seeing completely new jobs that have never appeared in the series
    I mean, everyone’s opinion is fine, but GEO already exists in lore as a variation of white mage. Doesn’t mean it has to be a healer, of course.
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  8. #38
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    Princess- Princess
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    Coeurl
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    Alchemist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Firework View Post
    They've stated that jobs like beast master and puppet master would be limited if they ever ended up being added. We likely won't see them being added to the game

    I really wish people would stop suggesting a healer geomancer. It's never been a healer in any game it's ever appeared in and making it one would horrendously gut its potential. Historically, it uses weather and terrain magic in most games. There are also enemy geomancers that appear in Swallow's Compass and use traditional geomancy as attacks. If it were made a healer, it'd have 3 damage spells and a bunch of heals. Doesn't translate well to geomancy

    On the other hand, I believe they also stated something along the lines of them running out of traditional jobs to add and are starting to have to think outside the box for ideas for new jobs (after revealing RPR?), so we may end up seeing completely new jobs that have never appeared in the series
    Yoshi P is a troll. (Good kinda troll) he said we wouldn’t see any more races after female viera then we got male viera and now getting female hrothgar in 7.0. He’s said quite a few things throughout these expansions that he wouldn’t do and ended up doing. So I won’t believe anything he says when he comes to what they won’t do as far as job are concerned. Also with Astro getting a complete rework we could finally see time mage make its debut. It could be the dot central job that allot of players been begging for. So I’m thinking for caster geomancer or time mage and for physical ranged Puppetmaster/Mammeteer.
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  9. #39
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    Tora Noyama
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    Phoenix
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    Lancer Lv 100
    TLR. My prediction is a job which uses a Scouting gear set and a caster. Here’s why:

    Let’s break down how and when roles were released in time:

    1)HW: Tank, Ranged, Healer
    2) SB: Melee, Caster
    3)ShB: Tank, Ranged
    4) EW: Healer, Melee.

    Using logic I see a pattern here.
    Within SB every roles were released once. Let’s call these two expacs cycle A.
    The cycle B started from Shadowbringer with a Tank and a Ranged, it continued within EW with a Healer a Melee and it will close with 7.0 with a Caster and something using scouting gear, probably a ranged.
    This is my first reason.

    By now we have 5 Melees, 4 Tanks, 4 Healers, 3 Ranged and 3 Casters.
    I don’t play caster or ranged but I’m trying to get in the clothes of those stuck with 3 choices from SB and 3 choice from ShB. (And don’t tell me the SMN’s lie). This is my reason two.

    Now for my the third reason I’ll say it’s more likely a ranged than a tank.
    Mostly from the previous reason but also for the type of the gear it would use.
    It’s scouting.
    Why?
    Because it is the last gear set that need to be shared. I think this is no more a speculation.
    Which job tho?
    Besides Caster, Tank and Ranged are plausible role because they were last seen in ShB.
    Using logic Ranged should get priority because there are less jobs for this role but as EW taught us SE doesn’t like to follow a sort of balance in numbers so tank could pop from the nowhere. It should use a scouting gear tho.
    “Scouting” is more referenced to something like a “reckon” and light job more than a tanky and heavy one. Still it could be possible to be a tank but it’d be quite odd.
    So Ranged is more likely.

    Obv, SE could decide to not implement a scouting gear and leave alone the poor ninja with their gear set and introducing a tank or a healer or a new melee (which is not impossible since SE has an history to let down ppl with their questionable choices), or they could change everything and not implement at all two new jobs rather an upgrade system for everyone (which I’d like to see smth like this and this is why this system will never be implemented )or the new CEO could decide to sell the company and open a “trattoria Mare e Monti” in the center of Tokyo, who knows.

    Still by logic these are the two more eligible candidates.
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  10. #40
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    Meluwen Nobu
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    Lich
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    Yoshi P is a troll. (Good kinda troll) he said we wouldn’t see any more races after female viera then we got male viera and now getting female hrothgar in 7.0. He’s said quite a few things throughout these expansions that he wouldn’t do and ended up doing. So I won’t believe anything he says when he comes to what they won’t do as far as job are concerned. Also with Astro getting a complete rework we could finally see time mage make its debut. It could be the dot central job that allot of players been begging for. So I’m thinking for caster geomancer or time mage and for physical ranged Puppetmaster/Mammeteer.
    We got male bunnies because there was such an outrage and high demand for them.
    I refuse to believe it was an elaborate troll from Yoshida's side.
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