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    Atelier-Bagur's Avatar
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    Cordelia Emery
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    Coeurl
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    Marauder Lv 82
    Quote Originally Posted by Asari5 View Post
    make jobs learn their entire rotation in... 60 lvl.... i dont care about 30 lvl without new skills if it means i can use 30 lvl my whole nice rotation

    since they tweak rotations around as they want and we always lose something before we get new skills in the new expansion it doesnt matter anyway. the last two expansions felt more like 'changing' the job than really getting stronger.

    there is no point anymore in leveling up even more lvl to learn ne skills which are just a replacement for old skills we learnt a long time ago but got deleted
    But then that would just kill meaningful character progression with leveling. I mean I know this game already heavily triviliazes character progression to be so easy but do we really need to butcher the rpg aspects even further?
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    Silver-Strider's Avatar
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    Silver Strider
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    But then that would just kill meaningful character progression with leveling. I mean I know this game already heavily triviliazes character progression to be so easy but do we really need to butcher the rpg aspects even further?
    If by "meaningful" you mean all the rehashed skills that they've been returning to jobs over the years that had gotten cut.
    My WHM hasn't gotten any meaningful character progression since HW as everything else, barring 3 skills, is a rehashed version of something that I either already have or lost in some way in the past with minute differences.
    Temperance = Divine Seal
    Divine Benison = Stoneskin
    Aqua Veil = Protect
    Afflatus Solace = Cure 2
    Afflatus Rapture = Medica
    Afflatus Misery = Aero 3

    That leaves only Thin Air, PI and Lilybell as the only new skills that weren't already accounted for since HW and Thin Air was lowered down to 58 so it's already available in HW. One could even argue that Lilybell exists to serve as a replacement for scenarios that were previously handled by pre-nerfed Thin Air+Cure 3 spam but being locked away at level 90 means it can't even be used in half of those scenarios in the 1st place so it's even less useful in that regard UNLESS a low level version of it was available.

    This might only be true for WHM but strictly speaking, there are a number of skills that could easily be brought down to a lower level without much issue in regards to balance since they were previously balanced with other skills and abilities being available at the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by KatiaRelanah View Post
    the real lazy thing would be level cap rotations being simplified to 1-2-3 with one or two OGCDs acquired by L50, and then just making you stronger by traits like "skill 1 becomes SUPER skill 1" or "all damage increased by 10%".
    This is literally MNK past level 60
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    Last edited by Silver-Strider; 04-06-2023 at 12:50 AM.

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    magitekLuna's Avatar
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    Samsara Lunalight
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    But then that would just kill meaningful character progression with leveling. I mean I know this game already heavily triviliazes character progression to be so easy but do we really need to butcher the rpg aspects even further?
    but there no meaningful character progression after you hit lvl 50.the last 3 expansions did not really add new things if you think of it.
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    Iyrnthota Sparrow
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    Spriggan
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by magitekLuna View Post
    but there no meaningful character progression after you hit lvl 50.the last 3 expansions did not really add new things if you think of it.
    screams in black mage
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