Thread: Guardian

Hi,

Now I'm far from expert so firstly, is it just me or is it not entirely right for a pld guardian to cover people while they are taking elixir?

I couldn't somehow believe it when it was happening in front of me because it occurs that this is a huge amount of healing, too huge and too easily arranged at just the right time by the players who are able to communicate...

Is there any other ability with this potential? Does it seem fair?

Thank you,

They should have made cover be 99.9% reduction so the target always takes at least 1 damage from the start, that way both the onsai exploit and things like this would never have happened.

Originally Posted by Llynethil

They should have made cover be 99.9% reduction so the target always takes at least 1 damage from the start, that way both the onsai exploit and things like this would never have happened.

it doesnt stop DOTs and is a damage gain for the enemy so if its 99.9% effective then youve added more of an unfair advantage to the opponent

Originally Posted by RyanCousland

it doesnt stop DOTs and is a damage gain for the enemy so if its 99.9% effective then youve added more of an unfair advantage to the opponent

It's not about doing damage to them, it's about being able to stop nonsense like this which you could if you did 1 direct damage to the covered perso.

Losing 0.01% damage means nothing and makes 0 difference, being able to stop a full pot is way more important then that.

Originally Posted by Llynethil

It's not about doing damage to them, it's about being able to stop nonsense like this which you could if you did 1 direct damage to the covered perso.

Losing 0.01% damage means nothing and makes 0 difference, being able to stop a full pot is way more important then that.

if PLD had adequate sustain,DR and dps i would agree hell id even go further to make guardian 80-90% but that it isnt the case, PLD recieves 2x the damage for someone to heal at full, so if youre doing 30k-40k damage thats transferred to a class that outside of Guard does not have the resources to survive along with the damage PLD receives thats the trade-off one life for another, and adding another flaw/drawback to guardian doesn't seem fair and would make the class nonviable, also ive seen enough times someone die with smallest of hp due to DOTs under guardian to say every DPS matters

They really should remove Guardian and replace it with some version of Intervention. You still get a PLD flavor without the bitter after taste of getting double damage.

Thanks for this info,

I don't have any dots on my preferred job...but it does seem at least that there can be a way to deal with that pesky skill.

You have to understand that the way I've seen it used in cc convinced me that there is no way to win against that. It seemed that people were getting the buff just when they were out of stcks and dropping hp. Even with disadvantages that you mentioned this seemed to happen a good few times per match. Full stack of heals is worth some 60k healing, plus whatever is missing from hp bar... If you picture being in a team dealing with that kind of healing potential, wasting over 60k worth of damage just to see the person restoring it while invincible and facing that almost every time when trying to get someone to pop is demoralising. My team members were clearly not dealing with this just as much as me, every time...It was a very effective strategy, and I mean scary effective. I'm not easily put off, I like odds being against me because it makes it more fun, but this, along with other issues of ranked cc such as win trading and voice chatting among the top players makes it incredibly off putting.

It all makes me think that this skill ought to be adjusted. How many genuigne pvp enthusiasts would you be willng to loose by retaining skills this easy to exploit? Most of what I see when pvp is mentioned is people putting each other off, saying how they hate it, don't go there kinda thing and it's because of the issues like this^^

If this skill seems unfair to everyone including people who play this job then how do we get it changed?