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    sindriiisgaming's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    Does that mean we are now morally allowed to use the mod?
    no, not legally
    morally

    no, I don't mean legally allowed
    I mean morally allowed

    morally, as in, socially accepted
    no, I don't mean legally, I don't mean the ToS permits it

    I mean socially accepted as the feature is upcoming and about to be added
    No, I don't mean the ToS suddenly changed to allow for third party tools, I don't mean you cannot get banned for using it.
    so.. what you're saying is that its not against tos
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    It is never morally okay to cheat and give yourself some kind of advantage over others in an online game.
    Save cheating for single player games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    It is never morally okay to cheat and give yourself some kind of advantage over others in an online game.
    Save cheating for single player games.
    Some legal things are more of a cheat than some illegal things ( Raid simulator is legal and more of a cheat than 1000 zoomhack, Discord allows you to get carried just as Triggers do, Wide screen is more efficient than zoomhack)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis View Post
    Some legal things are more of a cheat than some illegal things ( Raid simulator is legal and more of a cheat than 1000 zoomhack, Discord allows you to get carried just as Triggers do, Wide screen is more efficient than zoomhack)

    While I wouldn't personally use a simulator, I would argue those things you list aren't cheating since they don't interact with the game directly.
    An ultra widescreen monitor is only a second party tool, mind you. It's all about those third party tools.
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    "Everything is permitted" - some assassin game

    It's always morally correct to mod this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    It is never morally okay to cheat and give yourself some kind of advantage over others in an online game.
    Save cheating for single player games.
    Quote Originally Posted by Restonance View Post
    "Everything is permitted" - some assassin game

    It's always morally correct to mod this game.
    The duality of men...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis View Post
    Some legal things are more of a cheat than some illegal things ( Raid simulator is legal and more of a cheat than 1000 zoomhack, Discord allows you to get carried just as Triggers do, Wide screen is more efficient than zoomhack)

    But is it actually cheating though.

    It's a simulation, not actually the game.

    it may temper you to the situation, and think "That this is just like in the simulations"
    making it easier.

    But it's not actually in the game.
    it's like what that one CC says, does that make discord a TPP, Does that make twitch a TPP during a World Race.
    Does that make the Housing Simulator<By itself, with no intent to move into the game>, or the Glamour sharing websites TPPs?

    It does not.

    The whole "You do ____ for ___, ___ does ____ for ___. They are not the same."
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    Player CaedemSanguis's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTK0HLK View Post
    But is it actually cheating though.

    It's a simulation, not actually the game.

    it may temper you to the situation, and think "That this is just like in the simulations"
    making it easier.

    But it's not actually in the game.
    it's like what that one CC says, does that make discord a TPP, Does that make twitch a TPP during a World Race.
    Does that make the Housing Simulator<By itself, with no intent to move into the game>, or the Glamour sharing websites TPPs?

    It does not.

    The whole "You do ____ for ___, ___ does ____ for ___. They are not the same."
    Using simulator is cheating (it gives you an incredibly huge advantage, way more than any 3rd party tools), but yes «*its legal*» lol
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    Last edited by CaedemSanguis; 04-04-2023 at 11:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis View Post
    Using simulator is cheating (it gives you an incredibly huge advantage, way more than any 3rd party tools), but yes «*its legal*» lol
    "its cheating to practice at poker before going to the gambling table"
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4clubbedace View Post
    "its cheating to practice at poker before going to the gambling table"
    This analogy makes no sense. Cheating is defined by having an unfair or dishonest advantage. Particularly when competition is present. Anyone can practice poker before going to the gambling table. Whether they choose to do so is another matter. The same can be said about video guides for a trial or raid. This does and will give players an advantage over those who have not, or do not use those guides, but everyone has access to them. So a player who chooses to go in blind when these tools are available aren't cheated; they've deliberately chose to gimp themselves. Apply that knowledge to a combat simulator.
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    Last edited by Gemina; 04-04-2023 at 11:07 PM.

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