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    Something worht noting that those quotes allude to, but don't outright state: The Japanse 6.4 patch name is roughly 'The Throne's Criminal'. So Golbez ain't exactly a saint, unless it turns out that phrasing is used ironically.

    Also, that 6.4 is apparently being written as the climax and conclusion of the 6.x story, with 6.5 being the leadin for the next; that makes sense, but good to have it confirmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    Something worht noting that those quotes allude to, but don't outright state: The Japanse 6.4 patch name is roughly 'The Throne's Criminal'. So Golbez ain't exactly a saint, unless it turns out that phrasing is used ironically.
    That title...it feels like it's referring to Golbez, but at the same time, Yoshi-P's words of "reconsidering its meaning after beating 6.4" are telling me that the criminal here isn't Golbez. Golbez was under control by somebody in FFIV when he did a lot of his horrible acts in the game...what if the Watcher's destruction was another one of them? What if the current Golbez is no longer under the control of that influence and is trying to fix the very mess he helped unleash, and the criminal who caused it turned out to be either somebody now long since dead (Igeyorhm), or somebody we now currently know who is having to turn her life around (perhaps Zero IS Igeyorhm)?

    Then again the "Throne's Criminal" could be something non-physical and just be something like greed, despair, or some emotion being manipulated that helped lead to the state of affairs. Perhaps Golbez or a ruler had lost a loved one and decided to believe in Ascian magic to return them to the living world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    That title...it feels like it's referring to Golbez, but at the same time, Yoshi-P's words of "reconsidering its meaning after beating 6.4" are telling me that the criminal here isn't Golbez. Golbez was under control by somebody in FFIV when he did a lot of his horrible acts in the game...what if the Watcher's destruction was another one of them? What if the current Golbez is no longer under the control of that influence and is trying to fix the very mess he helped unleash, and the criminal who caused it turned out to be either somebody now long since dead (Igeyorhm), or somebody we now currently know who is having to turn her life around (perhaps Zero IS Igeyorhm)?

    Then again the "Throne's Criminal" could be something non-physical and just be something like greed, despair, or some emotion being manipulated that helped lead to the state of affairs. Perhaps Golbez or a ruler had lost a loved one and decided to believe in Ascian magic to return them to the living world.
    Well, we see that Zero is telling the truth about her mortal origins via her flashback, I think. However, it'd be interesting if, instead of being an Azem shard, she's actually an Ascian shard. Though that's kind of repeating Gaia's storyline too much to me.

    However, I want to point out: Her mother has been mentioned a lot in an offhanded manner. What if her mother was Igeyorhm? Playing a hero, while really working towards the goal of the Rejoining. Like Hades as Solus or Cylva as the Shadowkeeper.

    And half-voidsent Zero wasn't an accident, but an early prototype of what Emet ultimately did to make Vauthry, who arguably was half-sineater? (A concept I'll confess still doesn't really make much sense to me given what voidsent/sin easters actually are. How are you half of what is essentially a metabolic condition? But w/e. Also, insert "patient Zero" pun here.)

    There is definitely something important about Zero's origins/past we don't know, and it's going to play in somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleluia View Post
    However, I want to point out: Her mother has been mentioned a lot in an offhanded manner. What if her mother was Igeyorhm? Playing a hero, while really working towards the goal of the Rejoining. Like Hades as Solus or Cylva as the Shadowkeeper.

    And half-voidsent Zero wasn't an accident, but an early prototype of what Emet ultimately did to make Vauthry, who arguably was half-sineater? (A concept I'll confess still doesn't really make much sense to me given what voidsent/sin easters actually are. How are you half of what is essentially a metabolic condition? But w/e. Also, insert "patient Zero" pun here.)

    There is definitely something important about Zero's origins/past we don't know, and it's going to play in somehow.
    That...would be interesting. In that case, perhaps Golbez was her father. The first Voidsent, the strongest one simply because it was a calculated transformation on the part of the Ascians. That would explain why he feels different from other Voidsent, because he was essentially the prototype. Or perhaps it's a reversal, like with Mitron and Lohegrif. Perhaps Golbez was Igeyorhm who did this on themselves as an experiment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    That...would be interesting. In that case, perhaps Golbez was her father. The first Voidsent, the strongest one simply because it was a calculated transformation on the part of the Ascians. That would explain why he feels different from other Voidsent, because he was essentially the prototype. Or perhaps it's a reversal, like with Mitron and Lohegrif. Perhaps Golbez was Igeyorhm who did this on themselves as an experiment.
    Golbez being the 13th's counterpart or precursor to Eden, essentially? Possible. Really not sure about the fatherhood, but possible, also, I guess.

    I think there's a fair chance Golbez is gonna turn out to be the Azem shard of the 13th and that's what's unique about him. He does seem to be the Darkness version of a Lightwarden, giving out power and drawing in forces. But drawing in companions is also an Azem quality. "Shepherd to the Stars in the Dark" and all that.

    I really hope this patch gives us a more definitive answer as to what his goals are. I have a theory that he's trying to make it possible for the denizens of the 13th to die by connecting the 13th to the Source, which has a properly functioning lifestream. The 13th's seems, to me, to have merged with the physical shard itself and that's why they can't stay dead. They essentially don't go anywhere when they get killed, so they just coalesce in place after enough time. If Golbez is related to the start of the voidsent somehow, or at least to the ruining of the 13th shard, then him wanting to fix things somehow would make sense.

    I just really don't think he's just trying to invade/conquer things for power's sake. I can't see someone like Rubicante following him if that was all he was. And he says Golbez spoke to him of salvation.
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