Thread: 6.4 patch speculation

Originally Posted by Sinstrel

I doubt that is Azdaja in the photo tbh. Azdaja was described to have birdlike features and more of a beaked snout, more feathered appearance similar to Hraesvelgr, and talin like claws. The dragon in this photo is anything but that, and also has both of its eyes. This dragon resembles more Tiamat. And as we learned from completing Eureka Orthos floor 30, Tiamat is one of the only living beings with mastery over the void/dark aether.

Tiamat is probably our way back to the 13th and will be assisting us in the trial against Golbez to rescue Azdaja is what my opinion is.

I don't know - looks a lot like Azdaja to me:
From the promo pic:

And from the last time we actually saw her:

Originally Posted by Eisi

Maybe it's the shadow dragon from the same game Golbez is from? Doesn't need to be the same dragon as Azdaja.

We will fight Golbez, he's gonna summon this shadow dragon, just as an enemy to beat without much story to it other than well he knows what dragons are through Azdaja, second phase is Golbez proper, we beat his ass and then we rescue Azdaja, maybe she has enough power left to live.

Sounds pretty straightforward to me. Don't put more thought into this than the writers.

I think you're grossly underestimating the writers. They don't just do 'here is the reference, now clap'; they recognize the value of said reference, but they do try to weave it into the world itself so that it matters a bit more than that--and crucially, so that it has any storytelling value at all to the people who haven't played the source game.

XIV Golbez absolutely, from a development and marketing perspective, has a shadow dragon because IV Golbez has a shadow dragon. But they very clearly intend it to be deeper than that; dragons are a relatively special thing in XIV, so he can't just have one with no explanation, so they wrote the plot around him having Azdaja to lead into his shadow dragon who, now that we've seen it in part, clearly resembles Azdaja. If the shadow dragon was just going to be a nothing-special second phase gimmick they wouldn't have put it in the art (Golbez is a cool enough design and enough of a hook by himself if all you want is IV nostalgia and 'here's the bad guy'), so the fact that it's in the art means that it's somehow worth teasing and foreshadowing.

But speaking of the art, I can't really get behind SannaR's mention that the body doesn't resemble Azdaja. We just don't see enough of it to be sure on that; the background outside of the dragon, Golbez and the throne is too blurry, so I can't really say 'there should be wings there and there aren't'. All we've really got are the head--which as said, resembles her in the horns and the most curious thing to me is having both eyes--and the hand and part of the body on the other side. The hand's the right shape, the body's the right size, so it's mainly the texture that's wrong there--and I could easily see that being maybe what she looks like without feathers, or in armor, or a void-corruption carapace or something.

Originally Posted by Cleretic

It matches up enough that I'd be more confident putting forward that something happened to Azdaja, rather than it being a different, possibly fake dragon.

Agreed.

I have a very hard time believing that it won't be Azdaja. Our whole reason for visiting the 13th was to rescue her. And, to be honest, it'd be pretty rubbish if it were just some random Dragon he had hidden away all this time - why should we care about that? Defeating a last-minute addition Dragon would be completely inconsequential.

The story has, however, highlighted Azdaja's plight. When you consider that

Golbez has been draining her aether over a long period of time (somewhat evidenced by him giving out small portions of it to the archfiends to gain their service). It isn't difficult to believe that she'd be corrupted if he were help himself to whatever aether she has left, which is probably what he'll do as part of whatever plan he has) and he already demonstrated that he has full control over her even without that.

Being forced to fight her, and the consequences of doing so (particularly for poor Vtra), provides a much more solid story point than Golbez producing some random dragon for us to defeat without any lasting consequence.

For a visual reference for how it looks in IV

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...Fantasy_IV_2D)

Again I'm not saying it can't be her post transformation of some kind. I'm just saying that the few times we have seen her she doesn't have bulky scales and isn't that skinny. The dragon we do see reminds me of the jointed plastic toy snakes you'd play with back when I was a kid. While being "skinny" like the dragons from BotW/TotK.

And considering how the Golbez fight happens in IV I could see it playing out sort of what Eisi describes.

As in IV you beat up Calcabrina, then after a short out of fight chat go into a fight where Golbez summons a Shadow Dragon. Where it incapacitates everyone but Cecil (and Kain if you can time his jump correctly). Just as all seems lost in comes a Mist Dragon that defeats said Shadow Dragon. Oh look it's adult Rydia. Where you then get the fun of trying to get your party back on their feet.

All of that without being able to save or heal up going into the Golbez fight. Not sure if you get a breather in the pixel remaster or not. In the key art the Dragon is showing enough of its body that if it has wings it those probably would be showing a little. Anyone able to post the drawing of all 7 of the 1st Brood? I know it's just an Artist rendition of them but it can help compare and contrast.

Editing this post again just cause I don't want to make a new one to make a new short one that painting is either A: really old, B: done by various artist over time or C: painted by an Ascian cause four of those dragons most people wouldn't have an idea of what they looked like after the 3rd age. Except for Ratatosker who only "recently" wouldn't be available to get a good look at.