Massive Trailer Storybomb: Spoilers 6.4

**Eisi** · 05-13-2023 02:17 PM

Golbez is Thordan.

That one caught me off guard, I would have never imagined our boy to come back, but I guess the dragon connection is there.

**Cleretic** · 05-13-2023 02:38 PM

...you're gonna need to explain that one, because I don't really see it.

Is it a 'same voice actor' thing? Because not only am I not sure they share a VA from listening to their voices back-to-back (assuming you mean Archbishop Thordan; if there's a non-primal King Thordan scene I don't have it on hand for comparison), but that's also not really a workable piece of evidence. Y'shtola and Titania have the same voice actor, but we're not really using that as evidence of anything but the fact Robyn Addision has a pretty good range.

**Eisi** · 05-13-2023 02:46 PM

They have the same combat animations and are both trial bosses. That hasn't happened before with big story trials, because it would make them lose their individuality! Why do you think they usually make unique rigs and animations for those setpiece fights? It's to set them apart! This time they didn't, so I think the best explanation is that Golbez is Thordan.

**Eisi** · 05-13-2023 02:53 PM

Evidence:

Ifrit, Odin, Shiva, Ramuh, Ravana, Bismarck, Leviathan, Titan, Bahamut, Nidhogg/Estinien, Sophia, Sephirot, Zurvan, Lakshmi, Moggle Mog, Susano, Tsukuyomi, Byakko, Seiryu, Suzaku, Hades, Titania, Innocence, the Weapons, WoL, Hydaelyn, Zodiark, Endsinger, Barbie and Rubicante DON'T share the same animations.

Why? Because they are all different characters.

Only Thordan and Golbez share animations. They didn't just copy one of the most iconic trial bosses' rigs for another important story trial. That wouldn't make sense, they might do this for side content. But for the MSQ?

No, Thordan and Golbez are the same character.

**Seraphor** · 05-18-2023 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Eisi

Ifrit, ...the Weapons,... DON'T share the same animations. .

Ummm.... huh?

**Eisi** · 05-19-2023 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by Seraphor

Ummm.... huh?

Yeah, yeah, I was already corrected by Cleri. Still it's just an alt form, not the prime form with the iconic stance as with Golbez and Thordan. Also Diamond isn't even MSQ.

**Lunaxia** · 05-13-2023 02:55 PM

Other bosses have utilised previous models, iirc.

I think the difference is that not only is it apparently the same model, but the design is unerringly similar too.

**KageTokage** · 05-13-2023 03:17 PM

Trial bosses are where they tend to not use reskinned models, so seeing it here with Golbez is...particularly awkward.

Perhaps he'll ditch the sword after the phase transition and start fighting more like his Dissidia incarnation.

**RyuDragnier** · 05-13-2023 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by KageTokage

Trial bosses are where they tend to not use reskinned models, so seeing it here with Golbez is...particularly awkward.

Perhaps he'll ditch the sword after the phase transition and start fighting more like his Dissidia incarnation.

I think that's what likely will happen. It may be a case of him purposefully holding back to gauge our skill, before deciding that he shouldn't hold back at all if he wishes to win. Betting his enrage is Genesis Rock...the destroyer of all opponents in Dissidia.

**Cleretic** · 05-13-2023 03:28 PM

...do you actually want me to crack out my favorite very silly subject for this? Because I know shared skeletons and animation sets, you don't wanna fight me on this:

Omega's a gigantoad, as we all know.
Althyk is an Odin reskin. (In fact Odin's mostly borrowing from the dullahans.)
Trinity Seeker, the first Delubrum Reginae Trinity boss, is Ravana. There's a good few Ravana reskins around, actually, it's hard to count 'em up.
Trinity Avowed, the second Delubrum Reginae Trinity boss (the one with the heat mechanics) is Shiva. This might also be the starting point for Asura, the Fanfest event boss, but we can't be sure yet.
Hephaistos in P8 incorporates both Byakko and the centaur skeleton that started off as Ultima Weapon.
Thunder God Cid in Orbonne is reused both for Perfect Thordan in Dragonsong Reprise, and Excalibur in Eureka Orthos.
Scathach's model is reused for Omega-F, Penthesilea, the Spectral Necromancer, and a good few others; basically any floating female character wielding a long weapon of some kind.
Inversely, Omega-M was reused for the Warrior of Light trial.
All the Stormblood Eureka 'zone boss' enemies are reskins: Pazuzu is Diablos, Louhi is Cruise Chaser, and Providence Watcher is Nidhogg.
Nael Deus Darnus' skeleton has been used in a bunch of places, perhaps most prominent being Nidhogg's Dragoon form in Final Steps.
Sephirot was reused for Chaos in the Omega raids.
The Diablo Armament, final boss of the Dalriada, is actually just NeoExDeath.
If you want to specifically talk trials-to-trials, Ifrit actually was reused: as Diamond Weapon's unarmored form.

Hell, Thordan's skeleton has also been reused a couple times, as Exdeath in the Omega raids and Siegfried in the Masked Carnivale. You just probably didn't notice because you think of Thordan as 'big guy with big sword', so them changing up the weapon in question threw you off; fair enough, it was a surprise when I found out too!

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