SCH - Faerie Galmour: Discuss!

[Canadane]

Most people never touched Selene even when you could swap between them. Eos' Whispering Dawn was just considered too good to give up.

I always used Selene. The haste was too powerful.

[RyuDragnier]

I always used Selene. The haste was too powerful.

I never touched Selene, but that was because I kept getting a lot of fools for whom I needed Whispering Dawn ASAP to keep up and running. There's a reason why I'm a jaded healer, and ARR/HW pugs are the reasons why.

[Sebazy]

The ultimate irony was that Selene's haste was actually awful back then. The ARR tooltips were just comically misleading.

[Semirhage]

Didn't Fey Wind only give something like one extra GCD over its duration? Either that or it was less than that amount. Definitely less safe than having Whispering Dawn on hand, and arguably the time + resources saved for the SCH made up for FW's pitiful damage boost.

[ForsakenRoe]

I remember it being listed as '3% haste', whether that means 'increased spellspeed and skillspeed stat by 3% for duration' or more akin to Bozja haste (where even 1% can knock up to 0.03sec off the GCD) I don't know.

I know it was a case of 'use before pull, swap to Eos as it goes out, hardcast Broil timed to pull timer' and then Whispering Dawn was the go-to since it reduced healing GCDs needed. Also, back then, Rouse was a thing and affected WD

[Sebazy]

The tooltip actually originally listed Light/Glow as 30% haste lol.

If I remember correctly, it acted on your item spell/skill speed and given how stingy sub stats were back then combined with jobs quickly leaning towards crit, you'd generally get 0.01-0.02 off your GCD and that was that.

The end result was that it might net you a handful of extra GCDs in a longer target dummy type fight. As soon as you missed GCDs for movement, the benefit was almost entirely lost. Even with how bad it clearly was, a lot of people mindlessly drank the tooltip coolaid for it though. I still chuckle at the negativity that was thrown at me back in the day whenever I tried to explain to people that it was generally better to go with Eos and use Whispering Dawn to get more DPS time in.

Where Selene's haste did shine was with min maxing with Dissipation though.

[Renathras]

I guess that means summon eos/selene will be unified.

They already are, effectively. "Summon 1" and "Summon 2" which do the same exact thing are redundant at this point since Egi-Glam has existed (for SMNs...) for ages now.

I kinda wish they'd just make the Faerie automatic at this point. You equip SCH Job, Faerie comes out. You get KO'd the raised, Faerie comes out.

Most people never touched Selene even when you could swap between them. Eos' Whispering Dawn was just considered too good to give up.

This.

So healers are still rubbish to play, but now SCH can use Carbuncle.

...Is this game a joke? Other game are churning out walls of job reworks and big changes and you get one new glamor fairy. Amazing.

(1) To be fair, many people HAVE been asking for JUST THIS THING for a while now on SCH - both being able to Egi-Glam them if they're going to be the same and able to use Carbie instad.

(2) Almost no game does massive reworks in the middle of an expansion unless there's some huge crisis emergency. This is 6.4 not 7.0. I know I know:

It's all well and good saying 'wait for an expansion so we can do big changes then', but it's also a case of kicking the can down the road, and people are tired of getting told 'well, just wait and see wink emoji', we get told it every time...

...and (might surprise some) I actually agree with ForsakenRoe on this one. But the point still stands that major reworks aren't going to happen in a middle-of-expansion patch. For Healers in particular.

Part of this is the Kaiten response, though. They got super gun shy about making any reworks after that. They were going to do the DRG and AST (a healer) reworks in 6.2 or 6.3, as you may recall. And after the abject meltdown over Kaiten, they decided not to touch them until 7.0. The only reason they did PLD was because it was significantly behind the others, and the only other Job to get something was MCH (also underperforming), but in the form of returning an old ability not in anything resembling a major rework. Even PLD's rework would arguably be considered minor-ish or on the line between minor and major since parts of the core rotation remain and its oGCDs and defensive abilities were essentially untouched other than getting Bulwark back and Shelltron changed to a flat damage reduction and FoF a flat damage increase. The Confetti combo still comes after Requiescat and Royal still leads into 3x Atonement, with the main difference being mutilating Goring and removing the second combo and chunking HS after Royal for self-sustain. Definitely a rework, but not a top down major overhaul...which is what I suspect AST is in for and SCH may need.

I never touched Selene, but that was because I kept getting a lot of fools for whom I needed Whispering Dawn ASAP to keep up and running. There's a reason why I'm a jaded healer, and ARR/HW pugs are the reasons why.

Mhm.

The ultimate irony was that Selene's haste was actually awful back then. The ARR tooltips were just comically misleading.

Double Mhm.

[Sebazy]

Most people never touched Selene even when you could swap between them. Eos' Whispering Dawn was just considered too good to give up.

Oop, I missed this one...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ntasy/cvja671/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...959/?context=3

These reddit posts pretty much sum up the sentiment amongst mid to high tier SCH players in mid ARR.

And this is why:

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/inde...xt&oldid=95227

Remember that parsing was very much a tool of the hardcore progression raider back then, data wasn't remotely as accessible as it is now and the logs site wasn't a thing either. You either had to spend hours in your FC garden slapping a dummy and then mathing up the numbers with friends on the FC guildwork site or you had to trust randoms such as californiagaruda on reddit coming out with corkers like

There are zero reasons why having MORE Skill/Spellspeed is a "nuisance".
That is one of the more ass-backwards things I have read here in a while.
Never will a super weak, half the potency of Medica II pet heal be a virtual DPS increase on account of a SCH getting to DPS more. At least nowhere in comparison to huge 40% buffs to SS.
Please don't steer less informed people down the path of blatant ignorance -___-

This wasn't a one off. This was the accepted train of thought at the time.

Once HW came along it adjusted the tooltips to be a more sensible flat 3% meaning that it actually did something for those that weren't stacking spell/skill speed. Even with this improvement to the ability combined with Light/Glow getting merged into a single ability, the mainstream train of thought came round to seeing how powerful Whispering Dawn actually was and that SCH could actually do some serious DPS especially in AoE situations.

It was this myth of Fey Glow/Light/Wind being super powerful that inspired me to do my 1000 DPS SCH guide at the start of HW.

[Renathras]

Interesting even back in ARR, people were saying this:

Despite all this I still get bitched at for not dpsing during dungeon runs. Well excuse me for not having a constant need to keep my abilities off cooldown. I'll update you guys once I want to actually play summoner.

Hint. I'm NOT a summoner with extra healing potency. So don't treat me like one.

Edit: No surprise on the downvotes. You guys need to understand one thing -- I play healer because I don't like DPS'ing, and this is coming from a previous Bard main. It's boring, it's stressful, and it's mindnumbing. I play healer because I like healing, and no part of its core job description does it say I need to DPS, that's secondary. The whole point of healer DPS is supplementing your groups core DPS, but if it's unnecessary then I don't want to do it. Unless it's Coil or I'm trying to break a speedrun record, I don't want to put in the extra trouble to shave a few minutes off a run. You guys don't pay my $15 a month subscription, don't tell me how I should enjoy the game. If the fact that I'm not shaving 2-3 minutes of a dungeon run is ruining your fun, then I'm sorry but you have other priorities you need to really consider. If you're so worried about time, then run with your static group wearing all BiS.

You can call me lazy, there's a shade of truth in there. I only DPS when I'm running with a static group, but for DF pugs (on dungeons no less), I don't feel like it. Stop telling me to DPS. You're not automatically entitled to 2 minutes of your life just because I'm a scholar. I do my core job, nothing else, and if you want healer DPS then find me in coil or party with one who's willing to go with you, otherwise sit your ass down and continue with your dungeon run because I can at least assure you that we won't wipe from any deaths

"He doesn't want to DPS, he must be a trash healer". I don't.... like I can't even understand the train of thought here. I'm not sure how my unwillingness to DPS in DF dungeons suddenly makes me a bad healer, but whatever helps you guys sleep at night. I'm not exactly striving to push 100% in anything outside of coil, but if you're going to judge me as a person for it, then I guess it speaks a lot about you as a person for getting upset and throwing personal insults over 2-3 minutes in a video game.

EDIT: As in, hyper on that side of things. Even I'm not that anti-damage, lol

[Sebazy]

Interesting even back in ARR, people were saying this:

That thread of discussion was everywhere back then. DPSing vs non DPSing healers was a huge topic pretty much from mid to late ARR until early SB when Cleric Stance getting neutered broke the back of the argument and effectively smushed the two sides together wether they liked it or not

It's actually pretty rare to see a healer in level cap content that's not throwing any DPS at all now. Back then it was fairly common.