Mentor Status AKA the new Sprouts AKA Burger King Hats

[SannaR]

Sounds like the guy wants a parse to me. You might not have directly said that you expect a mentor to know everything in or remember how a fight works, but your grading scale that changes during the fight(?) would be doing just that. Your Op is also heavily suggesting that if the mentor doesn't give advice post wipe that they're a bad. Not everyone is going to want advice or even listen to said advice. Heck not everyone wants to hear about mechanics going into a fight. Some fights are mechanic heavy that trying to explain them all takes up too much time. That and until a wipe happens you don't know if the later mechanics should even be brought up.

I also haven't seen people flock to wherever the rare crown wearer is. The dorito wearer? Heck yes and even then I've had that person get me dead (HI 3rd Puppet's Bunker boss amongst others).

[Makarovv]

Sounds like the guy wants a parse to me. You might not have directly said that you expect a mentor to know everything in or remember how a fight works, but your grading scale that changes during the fight(?) would be doing just that. Your Op is also heavily suggesting that if the mentor doesn't give advice post wipe that they're a bad. Not everyone is going to want advice or even listen to said advice. Heck not everyone wants to hear about mechanics going into a fight. Some fights are mechanic heavy that trying to explain them all takes up too much time. That and until a wipe happens you don't know if the later mechanics should even be brought up.

I also haven't seen people flock to wherever the rare crown wearer is. The dorito wearer? Heck yes and even then I've had that person get me dead (HI 3rd Puppet's Bunker boss amongst others).

nowhere in my post did i suggest a parse as in (dps), i could care less for that stuff. i've seen how toxic it can be from different mmo's. i also didn't say the mentors gotta know every mechanic , nor did i say they gotta teach or give advice about the fight/instance. i was suggesting a grading system for mechanics done successfully during the instance and shows you the grade [B]after[B] the duty is complete next to the instance name in duty finder or on the picture template on the right..... Not seeing people flock to wherever the crown is, this is true, most of the time sprouts are just doing sprouts things, which is no biggie. This is just from my experiences, everyone has different experiences, i've seen it multiple times.it gets annoying when it happens. all i said was , for their crown to be turned off automatically for that specific instance that they're not good at, until their personal success rate is up there, not every instance as everyone is assuming. i might've worded it wrong might be the problem.

[ChrysOCE]

nowhere in my post did i suggest a parse as in (dps), i could care less for that stuff. i've seen how toxic it can be from different mmo's. i also didn't say the mentors gotta know every mechanic , nor did i say they gotta teach or give advice about the fight/instance. i was suggesting a grading system for mechanics done successfully during the instance and shows you the grade [B]after[B] the duty is complete next to the instance name in duty finder or on the picture template on the right..... Not seeing people flock to wherever the crown is, this is true, most of the time sprouts are just doing sprouts things, which is no biggie. This is just from my experiences, everyone has different experiences, i've seen it multiple times.it gets annoying when it happens. all i said was , for their crown to be turned off automatically for that specific instance that they're not good at, until their personal success rate is up there, not every instance as everyone is assuming. i might've worded it wrong might be the problem.

But how do you qualify that someone is bad at it? Cause they failed a mechanic? How do you tell that the failing was them not understanding the mechanic or a cascading issue from someone else not understanding the same/earlier mechanic? A tower needs to be soaked, but there is someone in the wrong spot. You try and rush to get to the tower to soak it (faster than typing in chat) but fail. Did you personally fail the mechanic? How do you separate group vs individual mechanics? And how do you improve the grade? By re-doing the instance and getting it right? Or do you need to show consistency? And, again, how do you grade this with the possible impact from other party members, that can affect your positioning/execution?

It's just not practical in any way to implement and it doesn't align with the role Square wants for mentors.

[SannaR]

nowhere in my post did i suggest a parse as in (dps), i could care less for that stuff. i've seen how toxic it can be from different mmo's. i also didn't say the mentors gotta know every mechanic , nor did i say they gotta teach or give advice about the fight/instance. i was suggesting a grading system for mechanics done successfully during the instance and shows you the grade after the duty is complete next to the instance name in duty finder or on the picture template on the right..... Not seeing people flock to wherever the crown is, this is true, most of the time sprouts are just doing sprouts things, which is no biggie. This is just from my experiences, everyone has different experiences, i've seen it multiple times.it gets annoying when it happens. all i said was , for their crown to be turned off automatically for that specific instance that they're not good at, until their personal success rate is up there, not every instance as everyone is assuming. i might've worded it wrong might be the problem.

A Parser does more than tells you how much dps you pumped out though. It will tell you if you took avoidable damage from a mechanic you messed up. Along with if you're over healing or not. It's like what ChrysOCE says who and how does your grade system (which others have suggested before.) quantify a person's performance? They could be having an off night, lag, or be distracted. How do you know a wipe happened due to something they did vs enough of the group didn't know (let's be honest care) how to do a mechanic? How many time do they need to show that yes they know to stack for an Ahk Morn, stand on Bismarck's back in order to do damage, or combine the white and black circles Sophia hands four players. Or that one isn't a damn prime number? Before their grade gets better. Is it per mechanic or that roulette run?

[Zeastria]

We're all players ..we're all humans with human flaws!.
One can not remeber everyting ..nor can anybody else in this game..
You can know the tactics but still die in this game... like bad RNG, lag , other players, distractions..ect.

[Kolaina]

lol okay, i'm just gonna stop replying after this. obviously your feelings got hurt, wasn't meant to be taking that way. nowhere in my post did i said " you gotta play a certain way" i just said " the system turns off the crown for said duties they fail a lot on, and the system keeps it on for the duties that they're really good at" and rewards "US"(yes US) mentors that do go out of their way to learn all the mechs and get all the grades up there, that is all. if they want to fail all the mechanics go right ahead i got no problems with that, but that crown is coming off for that specific duty lmao , sprouts tend to gravitate towards it like fly on shit (im nowhere near perfect, nobody is. it's just something to work for.) ... also nowhere did i say others to be responsible for me fellow WoL. ta-ta o/

Someone disagrees with you so their feelings are hurt… ok

The whole thread so far disagrees with you. Maybe your idea isn’t great? Could just go back to the drawing board or become the change you want to see

[hagare]

well this ted talk was disappointing.

[Makarovv]

well this ted talk was disappointing.

Agree lmao

[Mostly_Raxus]

lets be real, the content that sprouts do at this point (MSQ and all instanced building threw that) is so scaled down to the point it can just be face rolled till 81+, that mentors really are not needed anymore, i think the last boss of ather chemical research facility is about the only moderate fight you get till EW from a dungeon.. mentor exist now to back fill omega raids while sprouts sit for 2 hours per to fill all 12 normal fights.. savage and extremes and ultimate are on you to learn, you cant expect someone to have to or want to explain all those mechanics threw chat..

it doesn't take a badge to help, but the badge doesn't mean they have to play the game for you either, dont expect more that your willing to put in from the mentors you are judging.

[Jeeqbit]

In my experience, mentors are usually very good with mechanics and when I see someone with a crown they seem to know what they are doing. But they are not perfect. Sometimes they die. Or sometimes the content is braindead and they fell sleep doing it and forgot a basic mechanic.

Where a mentor has a good chance of not knowing mechanics is if they are a crafter/gatherer mentor, because many people become one of these before even completing the MSQ, whereas an average battle mentor actually has 1,500 commendations and 1,000 dungeons/trials/raids worth of experience and all classes/jobs leveled.

I do find sprouts follow me more lately and usually this is fine, but I'm not perfect either. It's like copying someone's homework. What if they get a question wrong? Then you are going to get it wrong too.

I agree with your suggestion, but I don't see SE going that deep with it.