Mentor Status AKA the new Sprouts AKA Burger King Hats

[Makarovv]

First and foremost , this post is not meant to come off as elitism or anything of the sorts, just some suggestions to improve the system in place. I find it incredibly annoying wiping multiple times in a row in roulettes cause half or more than half the party, in some cases, are made up of sprouts following the mentor that doesn't actually know the mechanics., when your just trying to get through your dailies. I have no problems helping out sprouts, i enjoy it, the problem is the sprout in disguise (aka Mentor) causing the wipes due to the crown. In order to combat this, i have some suggestions:

1. Add a grade system for each instances.
2. Anyone with a (B+) in said instances crowns will show , Anyone with (B), (B-) in said instances crowns will be turned off as soon they zone in.
3. Don't Make the grades hard to bring back up for the instances in case people fail mechanics multiple times.
4. Grade updates after duty is complete.
5. Make achievements for having all instances (extremes and below) At an (A) - give a title and (A+) - gives a Mount.

I believe this will push players/community to want to do better or strive to be a better player. you get the gist of it, im out. Thank you for coming to my ted talk o/

[Kolaina]

So the sprouts die because of the mentor, who is expected to excel at over 100 instances. No fault of the sprout or any other non mentor player in the instance.

How about being responsible for your own progress and / or performance? No? Alright, my bad

[Kaurhz]

Expecting a mentor to know the mechanics of every singular duty contained within said roulette, most especially when this includes extreme content, is just simply not pragmatic, this is why the mentor system isn't really feasible in the first place.

Sure, you'll encourage improvement of performance, but this also isn't really pragmatic in a roulette of this scope.

[MaxCarnage]

You don't have to be a mentor to give good advice. Stop putting all responsibility on mentors.

I understand their purpose is to help players, but to expect them to know the ins and outs of every fight is ludicrous. Especially when all mentor status really requires that takes a modicum of effort is the comms (which you can get out of pity or for having a good personality).

[SeiyaSoiya]

is a mentor system only valid if every mentor can theoretically replace google?

[Saraide]

Are we talking about the full crown or are we talking about hammer sprouts in this thread?

[Makarovv]

full crown

[Makarovv]

please re-read, wasn't putting all the responsibility on mentors. that's why i suggested the grade system which turns off the crown for said instances they fail mechanics at. Good morning from East Coast o/

[NekoMataMata]

You don't have to be a mentor to give good advice. Stop putting all responsibility on mentors.

I understand their purpose is to help players, but to expect them to know the ins and outs of every fight is ludicrous. Especially when all mentor status really requires that takes a modicum of effort is the comms (which you can get out of pity or for having a good personality).

This. People commend for literally anything(or don't commend these days). There's no guidelines on commendations for the most part(it's something generic about someone that was helpful or made a positive experience, I don't remember what the NPC says).

Oh and let's be honest, the battle mentor requirement isn't much either, but we're already struggling so much to find any mentors that are willing to do anything in the novice network as it is sooooo if we up the requirements the NN is going to be dead. That might be for the best consider most of the Novice Networks are just glorified chats anyways.

[Craigieboy]

So the sprouts die because of the mentor, who is expected to excel at over 100 instances. No fault of the sprout or any other non mentor player in the instance.

How about being responsible for your own progress and / or performance? No? Alright, my bad

I get that if someone makes a mistake and dies then it would be a reasonable expectation for a mentor to give some form of advice so they know what to do next time, sounds like from OP that any deaths/wipes are on the mentor even if after the fact they explain why it happened and how to progress. That's even assuming the sprout will even listen or understand the wall of text trying to contextualise specific machanics.

The mentor system in general isn't fit for purpose and either needs to be scrapped or rebuilt from the ground up as something else entirely.