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  1. #51
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    It's the fault of both Square and the Players

    Square did not handle housing requirements properly and entices players to abuse the system. Better then clicking placards, but still abusable. Square failed to make transferring to Dynamis aside from housing appealing. Aether/Crystal/Primal also compete with Dynamis on everything due to DC traveling. It's idealistic to have one-third of all existing DC player-bases transfer to Dynamis, that's a pipedream. A new younger DC cannot compete. Dynamis only has 1 feature it excels in that the other DC's do not have in abundance... " Available Housing ". This situation? is largely created by Square.

    On the other-hand... Existing Players transferring should have known what they signed up for...
    • Longer Queue times
    • Desolate Party-finder
    • Emptier and expensive Marketboard
    • Get used to Playing as a Traveler
    • No access to FC and Retainer as you do so
    • Lack of Raiding and RP scene
    Expecting Square to fix your own mislead expectations of Dynamis over-night or anytime soon? is wishful thinking, and that's the Players own fault. Forcing players to stop DC traveling? is not going to work. Players will do what benefits them immediately. Goodluck on changing players minds on that.

    I love it here. Got my Small/Medium and Large houses plus my peace and quiet. Don't care for roulettes I leveled everything I want to play. I don't rely on Partyfinder, I unlocked everything and if I want to Raid I go to Aether. Even that is not necessary, I am BiS. Losing chump change if Retainers don't sell fast isn't a big deal to me. I travel to Primal or Crystal for RP if I want to and come home to Dynamis and decorate to my hearts content. Love it. It's carefree, at least for me. And the people that complain about it all just makes it so much better xD !!
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  2. #52
    Player Ravenblade1979's Avatar
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    Anastasia Minou-rose
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamieRose View Post
    I'm gonna go talk to anyone else but you.
    lol cant stand logic i see. all good. keep whining. they won't cater to you to make you happy lol.
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  3. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 View Post
    lol cant stand logic i see. all good. keep whining. they won't cater to you to make you happy lol.
    I don't think that would just make her happy but everyone and no one said retainers had to be able to sell but maybe access them for their bag space or to send on ventures would be nice. You are right though it would mean huge overhaul on how DC travel would work just for that which I'd prefer effort go for more/better content than work on a mild inconvenience
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  4. #54
    Player Ravenblade1979's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcg55ss View Post
    I don't think that would just make her happy but everyone and no one said retainers had to be able to sell but maybe access them for their bag space or to send on ventures would be nice. You are right though it would mean huge overhaul on how DC travel would work just for that which I'd prefer effort go for more/better content than work on a mild inconvenience
    again same issue. each retainers bag is 175 slots. if you can manage to get 10 of them thats alot of slots. then you go crossworld and can snatch up good deals to store in your bag till your back to set it for sale....its the same end effect.
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  5. #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 View Post
    again same issue. each retainers bag is 175 slots. if you can manage to get 10 of them thats alot of slots. then you go crossworld and can snatch up good deals to store in your bag till your back to set it for sale....its the same end effect.
    Yes but just like buying a house and flipping it you can't guarantee you're going to make money every time. Just like the guy on Maduin right now in marble bed market, there's a guy that buys every piece to make the bed and sell them and when they were selling for 80k he probably was making decent profit but due to other people and himself not knowing how to undercut people effectively on the marketplace the price dropped to 20K one weekend and based on numbers he took a huge loss. Can't guarantee that what you buy is going to be good or sell and especially can't guarantee how much people are going to undercut you because I would say smart people only undercut a gil, but I've seen people undercut somebody else as much as 20k
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  6. #56
    Player Ravenblade1979's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcg55ss View Post
    Yes but just like buying a house and flipping it you can't guarantee you're going to make money every time. Just like the guy on Maduin right now in marble bed market, there's a guy that buys every piece to make the bed and sell them and when they were selling for 80k he probably was making decent profit but due to other people and himself not knowing how to undercut people effectively on the marketplace the price dropped to 20K one weekend and based on numbers he took a huge loss. Can't guarantee that what you buy is going to be good or sell and especially can't guarantee how much people are going to undercut you because I would say smart people only undercut a gil, but I've seen people undercut somebody else as much as 20k
    oh i know. its just still. you making it easier for bots to frankly flood the market..even if you allow your retainer to be gotten into from another world/dc.
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  7. #57
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    They need to have a you're-actually-on-your-home-server new world bonus. Something other than Road to 80 (which "follows" you between DCs), or just making Rt80 only apply when you're home.

    What's the point of a new world incentive when it doesn't have any sort of captive element? The one thing that might draw midcore/progressing players (because what do RPers or endgame players making alts care about having an EXP buff? Okay fine it helps them blitz through the game faster so they can buy a home in whatever expansion housing zone they want) doesn't actually require the midcore players to stay on their home server, so you have either a bunch of early-game and/or trial players in ARR and HW content who probably don't even realize you can DC travel, or (speculating cuz I'M only just at the end of SB myself lol) maybe people at the endgame areas?

    And otherwise, the 4.x and 5.x content is ghost towns because anyone who's progressed that far in the game probably also knows how to DC travel, and does so because there's no reason not to.p
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  8. #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by KatiaRelanah View Post
    They need to have a you're-actually-on-your-home-server new world bonus. Something other than Road to 80 (which "follows" you between DCs), or just making Rt80 only apply when you're home.

    What's the point of a new world incentive when it doesn't have any sort of captive element? The one thing that might draw midcore/progressing players (because what do RPers or endgame players making alts care about having an EXP buff? Okay fine it helps them blitz through the game faster so they can buy a home in whatever expansion housing zone they want) doesn't actually require the midcore players to stay on their home server, so you have either a bunch of early-game and/or trial players in ARR and HW content who probably don't even realize you can DC travel, or (speculating cuz I'M only just at the end of SB myself lol) maybe people at the endgame areas?

    And otherwise, the 4.x and 5.x content is ghost towns because anyone who's progressed that far in the game probably also knows how to DC travel, and does so because there's no reason not to.p
    I was saying this but as somebody pointed out there really isn't much carrot on a stick to chase honestly. Most things aren't super hard to cap so what can we incentivize players with, I mean there's increased chance to drop a mount but that's just going to have the adverse effect. Sadly not much to do that I can think of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcg55ss View Post
    I was saying this but as somebody pointed out there really isn't much carrot on a stick to chase honestly. Most things aren't super hard to cap so what can we incentivize players with, I mean there's increased chance to drop a mount but that's just going to have the adverse effect. Sadly not much to do that I can think of.
    Here's my asshole-ish, never-gonna-actually-happen stick idea, since the carrot isn't working:

    Disable DF when world traveling. ONLY PF and/or being queued into duties by a party leader who it is the homeworld of. This way, the main "draw"/advertised reason of DC travel, being able to play with specific friends/people on other DCs or joining raid groups and stuff, is still available; but anyone just doing casual MSQ/content progression has to hope someone in the world they traveled to decided to generously PF for Prae runs or whatever.

    To reiterate, this will never happen, and I'm sure there are knock-on effects I can't foresee, but this is my idea of an aggressive solution to the "people DC travel for even normal progression" issue.
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  10. #60
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    Tim Brady
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    Quote Originally Posted by KatiaRelanah View Post
    They need to have a you're-actually-on-your-home-server new world bonus. Something other than Road to 80 (which "follows" you between DCs), or just making Rt80 only apply when you're home.

    What's the point of a new world incentive when it doesn't have any sort of captive element? The one thing that might draw midcore/progressing players (because what do RPers or endgame players making alts care about having an EXP buff? Okay fine it helps them blitz through the game faster so they can buy a home in whatever expansion housing zone they want) doesn't actually require the midcore players to stay on their home server, so you have either a bunch of early-game and/or trial players in ARR and HW content who probably don't even realize you can DC travel, or (speculating cuz I'M only just at the end of SB myself lol) maybe people at the endgame areas?

    And otherwise, the 4.x and 5.x content is ghost towns because anyone who's progressed that far in the game probably also knows how to DC travel, and does so because there's no reason not to.p
    With most updates they've made in Endwalker, they don't really think them through. Rt80 used to be a viable bonus beceause you couldn't DC travel. You could travel to another world on that dc sure, but cross-world duty/party finder existed so it was fine. With cross-DC travel, it makes rt80 bonus useless to keep people on Dynamis.
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