My impression of English Forum

[Remish]

Honestly, I would love the forum sanctions to be tied in with in-game sanctions. Banned on here? Should be banned in-game too, frankly.

Might actually help simmer down some folk.

This actually already happens. Just not for every forum ban. It like most things depends on the severity of the situation. Some things are a ban in just the game. Some are a ban on just the forums, and other times you can be banned on both at the same time. Though it takes something really extreme for a forum ban to result into an in-game ban. There's a reason that most people use Reddit and Twitter instead of the official forums. They can't have their feelings/complaints/passive aggressive behavior traced back to their characters.

[ForteNightshade]

Honestly, I would love the forum sanctions to be tied in with in-game sanctions. Banned on here? Should be banned in-game too, frankly.

Might actually help simmer down some folk.

All that would accomplish is killing any and all activity on this forum. It simply wouldn't be worth risking your account on the whims of very random and inconsistent moderation. Just off my own anecdotal experience from various friends and people I've played with, some of been permabanned for a single swear word offense... yet if I type that same four letter word in the search box right now, I'll find... oh, let's see: five pages of it showing up. A friend of mine was flagged for mentioning that website we all know and love some time back despite the fact we've seen threads dedicated to talking about parsers and just about every other third party program under the sun. In fact, someone made a thread naming literally all of the major plugins that lasted for weeks.

Moderation here often comes down to mass reporting, which will encourage witch hunting.

[icemage]

All that would accomplish is killing any and all activity on this forum. It simply wouldn't be worth risking your account on the whims of very random and inconsistent moderation. Just off my own anecdotal experience from various friends and people I've played with, some of been permabanned for a single swear word offense... yet if I type that same four letter word in the search box right now, I'll find... oh, let's see: five pages of it showing up. A friend of mine was flagged for mentioning that website we all know and love some time back despite the fact we've seen threads dedicated to talking about parsers and just about every other third party program under the sun. In fact, someone made a thread naming literally all of the major plugins that lasted for weeks.

Moderation here often comes down to mass reporting, which will encourage witch hunting.

It's more than five pages, the forums only display at most 5 pages from your current page.

[Jeeqbit]

however, the more I looked into the English Forum, the more my curiosity turned into sadness, and interest into horror; the amount of hatred toward not only other players, but also the game and developers themselves are very scary to see, for, in my 20 years of gaming, I'd never seen such a hatred from the community that "loves" the game before.

I agree with you. Any criticism should come with a healthy amount of empathy, understanding, seeing things from others' perspective and considering that players with other interests than their own exist and need their interests served by the developers as well. But this is frequently lacking among English speakers for some reason.

I don't understand why it is lacking. Other people just aren't like me I suppose. When you live in an English-speaking country you just have to endure this.

There are those of us who try to promote two-sided debates, empathy, respect for the developers, consideration of other perspectives, but it's always going to be hard to do among English speakers because hot takes and selfish opinions are very common among us.

To see the community of the game I love devolving into a self-hating and toxic-spewing is not only sad, but also disappointing.

It's just the forums. Most people don't visit the forums, especially the people who are newer to the game or happy with the game. This is where people come to complain and that's really it, so you just see complaints most of the time.

[Saraide]

Okay have a nice day.

[DixieBellOCE]

Meanwhile on Elemental:

1. Players get Doxxed, have google docs written about them over small personal drama.

2. The roleplaying community is full of sexual predators, some of the club owners even harbor these individuals knowing that they are sexual predators.

3. JP players were incredibly toxic towards English players, especially after the announcement of the Materia Datacenter. One look at the JP forums was enough to see how that went. (Check Quazii's YT channel for the video).

Nowhere is perfect, but i can tell you the JP forums and Elemental as a whole, is certainly not perfect.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Meanwhile on Elemental:

1. Players get Doxxed, have google docs written about them over small personal drama.

2. The roleplaying community is full of sexual predators, some of the club owners even harbor these individuals knowing that they are sexual predators.

3. JP players were incredibly toxic towards English players, especially after the announcement of the Materia Datacenter. One look at the JP forums was enough to see how that went. (Check Quazii's YT channel for the video).

Nowhere is perfect, but i can tell you the JP forums and Elemental as a whole, is certainly not perfect.

FFXIV was a mistake

[Knot_D]

Meanwhile on Elemental:

1. Players get Doxxed, have google docs written about them over small personal drama.

2. The roleplaying community is full of sexual predators, some of the club owners even harbor these individuals knowing that they are sexual predators.

3. JP players were incredibly toxic towards English players, especially after the announcement of the Materia Datacenter. One look at the JP forums was enough to see how that went. (Check Quazii's YT channel for the video).

Nowhere is perfect, but i can tell you the JP forums and Elemental as a whole, is certainly not perfect.

Well good thing I don't transfer to Elemental, because other JP DCs still don't mind with English speaker in general

Also would you mind to link what video is it?

[Remish]

My theory,

Reddit has an upvote downvote system that silences dissent. Discord communities and twitch lobbies ban people who don't fit in. The forums are the only place that allows all posts to get equal representation. Therefore, they get the people that don't get attention for their hot takes elsewhere.

To be clear, I think reddit's visibility formula is disastrous for society in ways we do not yet understand. But it has caused official forums like these to get much worse.

Basically. Everyone here has a hot take. Most of these posts would be downvoted into oblivion elsewhere.

Reddit is a ceasepool with that too. I've had completely harmless posts downvoted into oblivion. Which begs the question if people just downvote to troll, witchhunt, or bots are used to do it. I don't really know. But for that reason, I can't ever support a downvote that filters posts out.