My impression of English Forum

[NiceNox]

Greetings, everyone.
My name is Nox "NiceNox" Noverus. My main data center is Elemental, and my homeworld is Kujata. For quite sometimes, Final Fantasy XIV has not only been my 3rd home, but also my respite, inspiration, and motivation in many aspects of my life. The in-game community has been so nice and comfortable, with many memorable moments and occasions that I still remember it well like it has just happened yesterday.

I began to snoop around the English community forum during the Lalafell's Chair drama out of both curiosity and interest. At first, I thought it was just a silly and funny occasion, something that can be quite funny to look at once in a while, however, the more I looked into the English Forum, the more my curiosity turned into sadness, and interest into horror; the amount of hatred toward not only other players, but also the game and developers themselves are very scary to see, for, in my 20 years of gaming, I'd never seen such a hatred from the community that "loves" the game before. What I saw were not constructive criticisms, but abuses, guilt-tripping, gaslighting, and hatred towards not only the players but the people behind the game and the game itself, calling and labelling them with something they are not, strawmaning their statements and actions, as well as various forms of fallacies, as well.

I love looking at the criticism for it gives me the wider world to see and understand, but what I've seen here are not criticism but a "My way or No way" type of comments; it's "either they do what I want, or I am going to label them and those who disagree with me with something bad". The respect toward the game and people behind it is also something that I've yet seen in this forum, it's okay to criticize with respect and appreciation, but what I've seen so far are coercions and manipulation, ex. "There are not a lot of fat characters! The devs must be fatphobic!" and so on.

I love FFXIV, it has saved me and my life before, when the endwalker came out, I played it straight for nearly 45 hours before ending the expansion with hope, dream, and tears. To see the community of the game I love devolving into a self-hating and toxic-spewing is not only sad, but also disappointing. I hope that at least the devs can get some laughs from looking at the English Community, for if I was them, I would be sad to see my hopeful craft turned into something I didn't wish to see.

Have a good day.

[Wyssahtyn]

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[Reap00]

Greetings, everyone.
My name is Nox "NiceNox" Noverus. My main data center is Elemental, and my homeworld is Kujata. For quite sometimes, Final Fantasy XIV has not only been my 3rd home, but also my respite, inspiration, and motivation in many aspects of my life. The in-game community has been so nice and comfortable, with many memorable moments and occasions that I still remember it well like it has just happened yesterday.

I began to snoop around the English community forum during the Lalafell's Chair drama out of both curiosity and interest. At first, I thought it was just a silly and funny occasion, something that can be quite funny to look at once in a while, however, the more I looked into the English Forum, the more my curiosity turned into sadness, and interest into horror; the amount of hatred toward not only other players, but also the game and developers themselves are very scary to see, for, in my 20 years of gaming, I'd never seen such a hatred from the community that "loves" the game before. What I saw were not constructive criticisms, but abuses, guilt-tripping, gaslighting, and hatred towards not only the players but the people behind the game and the game itself, calling and labelling them with something they are not, strawmaning their statements and actions, as well as various forms of fallacies, as well.

I love looking at the criticism for it gives me the wider world to see and understand, but what I've seen here are not criticism but a "My way or No way" type of comments; it's "either they do what I want, or I am going to label them and those who disagree with me with something bad". The respect toward the game and people behind it is also something that I've yet seen in this forum, it's okay to criticize with respect and appreciation, but what I've seen so far are coercions and manipulation, ex. "There are not a lot of fat characters! The devs must be fatphobic!" and so on.

I love FFXIV, it has saved me and my life before, when the endwalker came out, I played it straight for nearly 45 hours before ending the expansion with hope, dream, and tears. To see the community of the game I love devolving into a self-hating and toxic-spewing is not only sad, but also disappointing. I hope that at least the devs can get some laughs from looking at the English Community, for if I was them, I would be sad to see my hopeful craft turned into something I didn't wish to see.

Have a good day.

The FFXIV community has not devolved into what you suggest. These forums are not a representation of the community as a whole. People come here to complain incessantly. That is what they do. That is all they do.

[EliaStormblade]

Have a good day.

It's probably wise to take a lot of the moaning on this forum with a grain of salt. Some of people just want to be heard, some just want attention and yet others just want to see it all burn.

It's best to use a scrutinizing eye and determine wherever people post in earnest and not. Basically, employ a filter and you'll see the truth of the matter. All things said, I don't disagree with you, though. This forum harbors a lot of petulance, but I suppose that's to be expected; people who are happy tend to be silent, so that only leaves the most disgruntled if not the thoroughly miserable remaining to poison the well in between the honest attempts to critique and/or improve the game.

[Ravenblade1979]

Greetings, everyone.
My name is Nox "NiceNox" Noverus. My main data center is Elemental, and my homeworld is Kujata. For quite sometimes, Final Fantasy XIV has not only been my 3rd home, but also my respite, inspiration, and motivation in many aspects of my life. The in-game community has been so nice and comfortable, with many memorable moments and occasions that I still remember it well like it has just happened yesterday.

I began to snoop around the English community forum during the Lalafell's Chair drama out of both curiosity and interest. At first, I thought it was just a silly and funny occasion, something that can be quite funny to look at once in a while, however, the more I looked into the English Forum, the more my curiosity turned into sadness, and interest into horror; the amount of hatred toward not only other players, but also the game and developers themselves are very scary to see, for, in my 20 years of gaming, I'd never seen such a hatred from the community that "loves" the game before. What I saw were not constructive criticisms, but abuses, guilt-tripping, gaslighting, and hatred towards not only the players but the people behind the game and the game itself, calling and labelling them with something they are not, strawmaning their statements and actions, as well as various forms of fallacies, as well.

I love looking at the criticism for it gives me the wider world to see and understand, but what I've seen here are not criticism but a "My way or No way" type of comments; it's "either they do what I want, or I am going to label them and those who disagree with me with something bad". The respect toward the game and people behind it is also something that I've yet seen in this forum, it's okay to criticize with respect and appreciation, but what I've seen so far are coercions and manipulation, ex. "There are not a lot of fat characters! The devs must be fatphobic!" and so on.

I love FFXIV, it has saved me and my life before, when the endwalker came out, I played it straight for nearly 45 hours before ending the expansion with hope, dream, and tears. To see the community of the game I love devolving into a self-hating and toxic-spewing is not only sad, but also disappointing. I hope that at least the devs can get some laughs from looking at the English Community, for if I was them, I would be sad to see my hopeful craft turned into something I didn't wish to see.

Have a good day.

i seem to remember yoshi p releasing a statement about the japanese forums who brutally went after the devs over the changes to samurai they didn't like.

[TitanMenII]

Greetings, everyone.
My name is Nox "NiceNox" Noverus. My main data center is Elemental, and my homeworld is Kujata. For quite sometimes, Final Fantasy XIV has not only been my 3rd home, but also my respite, inspiration, and motivation in many aspects of my life. The in-game community has been so nice and comfortable, with many memorable moments and occasions that I still remember it well like it has just happened yesterday.

I began to snoop around the English community forum during the Lalafell's Chair drama out of both curiosity and interest. At first, I thought it was just a silly and funny occasion, something that can be quite funny to look at once in a while, however, the more I looked into the English Forum, the more my curiosity turned into sadness, and interest into horror; the amount of hatred toward not only other players, but also the game and developers themselves are very scary to see, for, in my 20 years of gaming, I'd never seen such a hatred from the community that "loves" the game before. What I saw were not constructive criticisms, but abuses, guilt-tripping, gaslighting, and hatred towards not only the players but the people behind the game and the game itself, calling and labelling them with something they are not, strawmaning their statements and actions, as well as various forms of fallacies, as well.

I love looking at the criticism for it gives me the wider world to see and understand, but what I've seen here are not criticism but a "My way or No way" type of comments; it's "either they do what I want, or I am going to label them and those who disagree with me with something bad". The respect toward the game and people behind it is also something that I've yet seen in this forum, it's okay to criticize with respect and appreciation, but what I've seen so far are coercions and manipulation, ex. "There are not a lot of fat characters! The devs must be fatphobic!" and so on.

I love FFXIV, it has saved me and my life before, when the endwalker came out, I played it straight for nearly 45 hours before ending the expansion with hope, dream, and tears. To see the community of the game I love devolving into a self-hating and toxic-spewing is not only sad, but also disappointing. I hope that at least the devs can get some laughs from looking at the English Community, for if I was them, I would be sad to see my hopeful craft turned into something I didn't wish to see.

Have a good day.

Agreed. The amount of homophobia and transphobia on these forums is alarming.

[Kaurhz]

Honestly, I would love the forum sanctions to be tied in with in-game sanctions. Banned on here? Should be banned in-game too, frankly.

Might actually help simmer down some folk.

[Jeeqbit]

however, the more I looked into the English Forum, the more my curiosity turned into sadness, and interest into horror; the amount of hatred toward not only other players, but also the game and developers themselves are very scary to see, for, in my 20 years of gaming, I'd never seen such a hatred from the community that "loves" the game before.

I agree with you. Any criticism should come with a healthy amount of empathy, understanding, seeing things from others' perspective and considering that players with other interests than their own exist and need their interests served by the developers as well. But this is frequently lacking among English speakers for some reason.

I don't understand why it is lacking. Other people just aren't like me I suppose. When you live in an English-speaking country you just have to endure this.

There are those of us who try to promote two-sided debates, empathy, respect for the developers, consideration of other perspectives, but it's always going to be hard to do among English speakers because hot takes and selfish opinions are very common among us.

To see the community of the game I love devolving into a self-hating and toxic-spewing is not only sad, but also disappointing.

It's just the forums. Most people don't visit the forums, especially the people who are newer to the game or happy with the game. This is where people come to complain and that's really it, so you just see complaints most of the time.

[Rolder50]

Honestly, I would love the forum sanctions to be tied in with in-game sanctions. Banned on here? Should be banned in-game too, frankly.

Might actually help simmer down some folk.

I could see this leading to some pretty crazy levels of witchhunting and abuse.

[Saraide]

Okay have a nice day.