The solution is honestly not as complicated as some think it is

[Kailea_Nagisa]

I keep seeing people argue about housing, and want it one way or another without thing about others and what they want...
We have to accept that we cant have everything we want, and some things have to be changed or sacrificed to get another.
Full on instanced housing is not going to happen, but this would be a decent compromise.

-Leave neighborhood housing the way it is right now.
-add medium and large apartments to the apartment housing*
-Limit house ownership to 1 house per FC/account per Data Center (one account can own a house as an FC leader, and a house as personal)**
-add a small 2x2 inside gardening housing item. (if that can even be done)
-add choices to the layout of the house, nothing crazy, just a "mirror" option (so small house with stairs on left side)
-Allow FCs to choose where to place the door for members rooms


*Note on apartments:
Small: same as it is now
Medium: same as a small house
Large: two floors equal to a large house (instead of a med house's three floors)


**Note on ownership changes:
When changes are made, send out emails to all effected accounts, that they must reply with what house they want to keep with location/server. All other houses will be demolished, released and owners will be refunded 80% of the value to the characters connected to them.

[Stormpeaks]

add medium and large apartments to the apartment housing

Absolutely, why not ? Consider it "instanced housing"

Limit house ownership to 1 house per FC/account per Data Center (one account can own a house as an FC leader, and a house as personal)**

No.

add a small 2x2 inside gardening housing item. (if that can even be done)

Good idea tbh, lets people use gardening to make onions or whatever for selling.

add choices to the layout of the house, nothing crazy, just a "mirror" option (so small house with stairs on left side)

Big agree

Allow FCs to choose where to place the door for members rooms

Why not ? Sounds good

**Note on ownership changes:
When changes are made, send out emails to all effected accounts, that they must reply with what house they want to keep with location/server. All other houses will be demolished, released and owners will be refunded 80% of the value to the characters connected to them.

Certainly not. If you think they will do that, you're dreaming. And tbh, they shouldnt.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Certainly not. If you think they will do that, you're dreaming. And tbh, they shouldnt.

As much as it would suck, yes the limit needs to happen, its part of way we dont have enough houses to begin with. With how this game works, there is no need for one person to own multiple houses, even on different servers, hell there is not even a reason for multiple characters unless you are playing on another data center.

[Stormpeaks]

An instanced system solves the problem of scarcity, and additionally has the possibility of choosing whatever plot you like.

I think you forgot what game you are playing, you're playing FFXIV, I hope you understand that if instanced housing ever happens (which I doubt) it wont be a plot of your choice, have you seen island ? Everything is premade, and there's barely any choice, if instanced housing happens, it'll be a little bit like garrisons in WoW, with premade placement in the world, the house will be in a fixed spot, not "the plot you like", I can promise you that 100%

They can do both, let people have their houses in the neighborhoods, and let people have S/M/L apartments.

Absolutely, I think large apartments are a good idea actually.

As much as it would suck, yes the limit needs to happen, its part of way we dont have enough houses to begin with. With how this game works, there is no need for one person to own multiple houses, even on different servers, hell there is not even a reason for multiple characters unless you are playing on another data center.

Sure, but it cant apply to past purchases. If it applies to past purchases, they are opening up to a whole lot of drama. And no, getting some gil wont do anything, there are venue owners, or people with housing as a hobby, or people who do submarines, if you remove everything from these people but one, you are in for a ride because lets not forget those people also have multiple accounts, the loss wont be small.

Also, there is enough housing on the entirety of EU, and for NA, Dynamis is open with a billion plots having 0 bids, if people dont want to move, its on them, the housing system is fine. Instanced housing in the form of large apartments though is a good idea, hell I'd probably get one.

[Xelanar]

With how this game works, there is no need for one person to own multiple houses, even on different servers, hell there is not even a reason for multiple characters unless you are playing on another data center.

There is a need for both of those.
People who like decorating cannot do with just one house. They COULD, if instanced housing was a thing, because it would allow for saving and loading interior designs at-will. But as of now owning multiple houses and having multiple characters is the only option. Even if someone were to go for it with just a single house, they would run out of inventory space to store furnishings very quickly.

Now I'm not stating how I feel about this, or what my thoughs are, so please do not take my comment as me saying I'm in favor of people being able to own multiple houses, while others have 0. But it felt necessary to highlight how "The solution is honestly not as complicated as some think it is" is only true, if you decide to ignore or trample on other people to enforce stricter rules. Which IS a possibility - but none I would personally agree with or even recommend.


There is also many reasons for having multiple characters, but I won't go into those to stay on topic.

[Stormpeaks]

There is a need for both of those.
People who like decorating cannot do with just one house. They COULD, if instanced housing was a thing, because it would allow for saving and loading interior designs at-will. But as of now owning multiple houses and having multiple characters is the only option. Even if someone were to go for it with just a single house, they would run out of inventory space to store furnishings very quickly.

Now I'm not stating how I feel about this, or what my thoughs are, so please do not take my comment as me saying I'm in favor of people being able to own multiple houses, while others have 0. But it felt necessary to highlight how "The solution is honestly not as complicated as some think it is" is only true, if you decide to ignore or trample on other people to enforce stricter rules. Which IS a possibility - but none I would personally agree with or even recommend.


There is also many reasons for having multiple characters, but I won't go into those to stay on topic.

That's basically it really, it actually isnt as easy as op makes it seem like.

Lets say player A has a few venues, just a random number, 3-4 on their account, 1 house for submarines, 1 personal fc.

You are going to force that player to choose between their venues, their submarines or their personal fc, I'm not sure how that's fair, as I mentioned it earlier in this thread, that rule is fine, but it cant happen for past plot purchases, only in the future, and even then, its a stupid rule in itself, removing houses from multiowners wont all of a sudden give houses to everyone, that's ridiculous, the houses that will free up will be taken in a round or two at most, and then what ? Who do we hunt next ? People that dont decorate their houses ? Should they lose their houses too ? Or maybe those that dont log in daily, maybe if they dont log in a 3 days time limit their house should auto demolish ? Or maybe even people that dont do content, maybe if they dont complete savage they'll lose their houses too ?

The point is that, this constant hunt to try and take stuff away from people because some people think they are owed a house, simply because they play the game, and that it's their "right" to have one, is getting ridiculous.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

That's basically it really, it actually isnt as easy as op makes it seem like.

Lets say player A has a few venues, just a random number, 3-4 on their account, 1 house for submarines, 1 personal fc.

You are going to force that player to choose between their venues, their submarines or their personal fc, I'm not sure how that's fair, as I mentioned it earlier in this thread, that rule is fine, but it cant happen for past plot purchases, only in the future, and even then, its a stupid rule in itself, removing houses from multiowners wont all of a sudden give houses to everyone, that's ridiculous, the houses that will free up will be taken in a round or two at most, and then what ? Who do we hunt next ? People that dont decorate their houses ? Should they lose their houses too ? Or maybe those that dont log in daily, maybe if they dont log in a 3 days time limit their house should auto demolish ? Or maybe even people that dont do content, maybe if they dont complete savage they'll lose their houses too ?

The point is that, this constant hunt to try and take stuff away from people because some people think they are owed a house, simply because they play the game, and that it's their "right" to have one, is getting ridiculous.

That is honestly just being selfish.

[Khryseis_Astra]

I’d definitely like to see 3 sizes of apartments. And I like the indoor garden space idea and the indoor layout options too. But improving apartments is not going to solve the housing problem. An apartment is not a house, and while you may have some that would prefer a large-sized apartment to a house, you can already have an apartment and a house, plus an FC room. Many who want a house already have both of those, and just upsizing apartments isn’t going to diminish the demand for actual houses.

Instanced housing could happen, if there’s enough demand for it. And I think there is, in-game. We have to keep in mind, that the posters here are only a small part of the player base. Most of the arguments here against instanced housing, quite frankly, seem to come from people who are already lucky to have the house they want, who aren’t stuck in the 9-day lotto cycle every round with nothing to show for it. Simple fact: the wards alone are never going to be enough to house all the players on a server who want one. There will also never be enough mediums and larges for those that want those. An instanced system solves the problem of scarcity, and additionally has the possibility of choosing whatever plot you like.

And honestly, there’s no reason instanced couldn’t be added in addition to ward housing. Those that don’t want it won’t ever have to interact with it, so why so many feel the need to shoot it down every time it’s mentioned is beyond me. It solves the housing shortage while taking nothing away from existing ward owners. And it stops most of the other arguments on this forum if everyone can have access to the house they want.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

And honestly, there’s no reason instanced couldn’t be added in addition to ward housing. Those that don’t want it won’t ever have to interact with it, so why so many feel the need to shoot it down every time it’s mentioned is beyond me. It solves the housing shortage while taking nothing away from existing ward owners. And it stops most of the other arguments on this forum if everyone can have access to the house they want.

That would be the apartments with the different sizes, there is no need for "an instanced house" when you have similar apartments, and yes it would lessen the demand for housing as many just want more internal room.

[KatiaRelanah]

I’d definitely like to see 3 sizes of apartments. And I like the indoor garden space idea and the indoor layout options too. But improving apartments is not going to solve the housing problem. An apartment is not a house, and while you may have some that would prefer a large-sized apartment to a house, you can already have an apartment and a house, plus an FC room. Many who want a house already have both of those, and just upsizing apartments isn’t going to diminish the demand for actual houses.

Instanced housing could happen, if there’s enough demand for it. And I think there is, in-game. We have to keep in mind, that the posters here are only a small part of the player base. Most of the arguments here against instanced housing, quite frankly, seem to come from people who are already lucky to have the house they want, who aren’t stuck in the 9-day lotto cycle every round with nothing to show for it. Simple fact: the wards alone are never going to be enough to house all the players on a server who want one. There will also never be enough mediums and larges for those that want those. An instanced system solves the problem of scarcity, and additionally has the possibility of choosing whatever plot you like.

And honestly, there’s no reason instanced couldn’t be added in addition to ward housing. Those that don’t want it won’t ever have to interact with it, so why so many feel the need to shoot it down every time it’s mentioned is beyond me. It solves the housing shortage while taking nothing away from existing ward owners. And it stops most of the other arguments on this forum if everyone can have access to the house they want.

Me again

Still no house, no horse in the race, and on Maduin so probably not gonna have issues when I try to buy one, anyway

I like the idea of wards. I liked it when I was last active a few years ago. The whole neighborhood thing where you get to know the people living around you, take in the sights of how everyone decorated their stuff, etc. But... As came up again and again in that other bigger thread(s), it's a failed experiment: there's no reason to hang out in the wards instead of a city aetheryte; because no one hangs out, there's no real reason to build up a community because nobody's around; no community building up means no one hangs out, etc. in a forever feedback loop.

(Being in Maduin/Dynamis, it's eerily similar to our DF/PF issues...)

Maybe it's more lively on the RP/more populated servers, idk, but I remember randomly visiting some ward spontaneously shortly after starting the game and... Nobody was there. And at the time, I forget which, but I WAS on a Crystal server, I remember that much. I guess I was hoping/expecting to see a lot of people hanging out or whatever, but again, there's no incentive to being in the wards (when you're not out questing that is) over the main cities.

(Cont because too much word vomit lol)