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    Quote Originally Posted by Thelasoriao View Post
    LGBT this, LGBT that... how about they focus on just writing a good story. Not score diversity points to appease the Twitter crowd??
    This.

    Quote Originally Posted by TitanMenII View Post
    Welp... looks like the hate mob is already out. Blocked.
    It's not a hate mob, it's a valid point: Focus on good writing and a good story. It shouldn't matter the race/gender/orientation of people as long as they're good characters. One doesn't have to be an ambiguously asexual 12 foot tall 10,000 year old white guy with three eyes to recognize Emet-Selch is a well written character.

    The style of his comment is somewhat brusque, but the core point is correct. And blocking someone who disagrees with you is far closer to a "hate mob" than someone voicing his position that the focus should be on good writing.

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    Besides which:

    Quina was non-binary (or...simultaneously binary?) before it was cool, being s/he. If FF9 was made now, Quina's pronouns would probably be they/them. Japan isn't all on board with the social justice train, but they're fine with it at the same time. They aren't actively promoting it, but they won't back down if in countries where it's not popular or allowed - unlike, say, virtue signaling Disney that plays it up in the West then quietly removes their LGBT stuff in Muslim majority countries, etc. Japan also doesn't tend to focus on it. If it's part of someone's character, it just is. In Outlaw Star, one of the characters was very obviously and explicitly gay. But it wasn't really relevant. It was part of his character, not HIS ENTIRE CHARACTER. That's the RIGHT way to write characters - LGBT or cis as a cowboy action hero that's also straight as a supermassive black hole jet. Casual things done off screen and not making a big deal of it; that's actually the RIGHT way to write characters.

    Hell, all the things in Il Mheg go by "they", as do SOME of the Lopporits, while others go by he and she, indicating they actually ARE gendered beings that recognize a non-binary (whereas in Il Mehg, it's possible they just don't have genders in the first place)

    You also have (ambiguously) Ryne and Gaia.

    We aren't exactly drowning in straight couples. Offhand, there are only four I can think of - Moonbrida's parents, the Chais, the cute couple from the Goldsmith quest, and the Twins mom and dad. That's it, and I had to stop and think a bit for some of those. There might be random "straight" NPCs in the sense of parents to children, but we don't really run into people that are expressly STRAIGHT or that talk about their straightness.

    Both Hauchefaunt (especially in the original Japanese) and Zenos were absolutely infatuated with your character (meaning they're gay or at least bi if your character is a male, in addition to Zenos being combatsexual), and Graha somewhat seems to be as well. Alise is into your character as well, so if you're female, she's gay/bi for you. Both she and Graha are as main as main characters can get. Then there are the aforementioned Fey of Il Mehg and the Lopporits.

    I'm not sure what more you want. A main character to "come out" to you? A bunch of homosexual couples with children that are also somehow main characters? An NC17 rating with same-sex sex scenes? If it's just two guys that appear to be close hugging, you'll write that off as "only implied", but this is a E for Everyone game, so they aren't going to address sexual themes in general. I'm not sure what more you want. For all we know, Y'Shtola is lesbian. She's definitely quick to shoot down most men (at least, the ones that she doesn't consider friends - she's nicer to them), and has the strong will and not-quite-but-also-kinda butch thing going when she feels like it.

    How would you even know she's NOT lesbian? It's not like you can tell by looking.

    For all you know, we could already have SEVERAL LGBT main characters in the cast! They just don't wear their sexual/gender identities on their sleeves.

    Quote Originally Posted by TitanMenII View Post
    It's not "Western culture" to accept and be kind to people with different identities.
    Does...does anyone want to tell him?

    Go to non-Western cultures. You'll often find them FAR less accommodating than Western ones... <_<

    Quote Originally Posted by DragonFlyy View Post
    Even though it's a troll thread, there is already a gay couple in XIV. The quest to Wanderer's Palace (Hard) features the couple.
    "gay couple"

    "Wonderer's Palace"
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    "(Hard)"

    XD

    Sorry, sorry. I just couldn't help it. Even I have to be juvenile every now and again. XD

    That said, I don't remember this one. Going to have to go and watch it...
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    Last edited by Renathras; 03-25-2023 at 03:09 PM. Reason: EDIT for length

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