Should Moogle Treasure Trove be Permanent?

[Deo14]

Or they could just finally revamp rewards instead of just relying on roulettes and Moogle Troves. No reason to do old level cap content since you get no exp and you can get loot by unsyncing it, trials basically give nothing, non-CT AR take 2 times longer while giving same rewards (if you don't want specific glam). Even though Swallow's Compass is one of the best dungeon in game, you see it once a year in roulette since it's at old level cap, not in free trial and optional.

Current implementation of Moogle Trove is pretty bad anyways, since you can just use blue mage and be 10 times more effective, which won't help DF. There is also this kind of "battlepass" you speak of in form of Khloe's book, but once again, you can just do 9x ARR EX unsynced solo.

I don't see why would you suggest to make old dungeon gear be sold for moogle tomes. All of this is pointless since you can unsync it solo and get it yourself. It's just hard to make old content meaningful since you can unsync it. Most realistic fix is to put astronomy/causality tomes for doing old content.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Or they could just finally revamp rewards instead of just relying on roulettes and Moogle Troves. No reason to do old level cap content since you get no exp and you can get loot by unsyncing it, trials basically give nothing, non-CT AR take 2 times longer while giving same rewards (if you don't want specific glam). Even though Swallow's Compass is one of the best dungeon in game, you see it once a year in roulette since it's at old level cap, not in free trial and optional.

Current implementation of Moogle Trove is pretty bad anyways, since you can just use blue mage and be 10 times more effective, which won't help DF. There is also this kind of "battlepass" you speak of in form of Khloe's book, but once again, you can just do 9x ARR EX unsynced solo.

I don't see why would you suggest to make old dungeon gear be sold for moogle tomes. All of this is pointless since you can unsync it solo and get it yourself. It's just hard to make old content meaningful since you can unsync it. Most realistic fix is to put astronomy/causality tomes for doing old content.

you do realize that the reason moogle tomestones as a system worked with us is because you CANT unsync the content to earn the tomestones. It has you do them synced. Having some favorable dungeon gear be purchasable is due to the fact that the loot rng can be so bad when you're trying to find that one particular piece. Literally takes forever to do some unsynced runs in dungeons for some of their gear because of the pool table.

[Shinkuno]

you do realize that the reason moogle tomestones as a system worked with us is because you CANT unsync the content to earn the tomestones. It has you do them synced. Having some favorable dungeon gear be purchasable is due to the fact that the loot rng can be so bad when you're trying to find that one particular piece. Literally takes forever to do some unsynced runs in dungeons for some of their gear because of the pool table.

doesnt matter when blue mage is allowed

[Deo14]

you do realize that the reason moogle tomestones as a system worked with us is because you CANT unsync the content to earn the tomestones. It has you do them synced. Having some favorable dungeon gear be purchasable is due to the fact that the loot rng can be so bad when you're trying to find that one particular piece. Literally takes forever to do some unsynced runs in dungeons for some of their gear because of the pool table.

Using BLU is just limited unsyncing with extra steps. In both cases, you roll through the content, while not helping populate old content. I don't know whether you're unluckiest man alive or whether you try to solo unsync ShB dungeons for glams, but SB and lower dungeon gear shouldn't take longer than an hour solo unsynced with pretty bad luck. Check wiki, they have listed all drops in each chest, so if you need just boots for example, you can just do half a dungeon, get the right chests and reset.

When it comes to putting dungeon gear as Moogle Trove reward - if your desired piece isn't currently in rotation, do you just wait whole month and hope it will be there, instead of spending half an hour getting it by yourself?

Older content definitely needs better rewards to incentivize doing it, but I feel like that all year Moogle tomes will end up just being fluff just like Khloe. It will make older content more popular initially, but veterans will start leveling their BLU to make everything faster, system will start to crumble and it will be just as effective as Khloe's book, in other words, utterly ineffective in terms of incentivizing old content. Current Moogle Trove is already pretty flawed system, which relies that most players are too lazy to level their BLU, but if it becomes all year round event, player will level their BLUs.

Removing options of unsyncing Khloe (and buffing its rewards), better roulette rewards and better rewards for anything unpopular (for example astronomy tomes for old level cap dungeons) are most realistic fixes. Removing loot from unsyncing would help a ton, but there is no shot that community will be happy about that.

[UkcsAlias]

It will make older content more popular initially, but veterans will start leveling their BLU to make everything faster, system will start to crumble and it will be just as effective as Khloe's book, in other words, utterly ineffective in terms of incentivizing old content.

Obviously they can still make a system that will just plainly exclude BLU from being able to participate (or at least avoid it breaking it significanltly):

Individual duties have significantly reduced rewards (for example aurum only gives 1 or 2 tomes - where anything lvl 70 or lower gives just 1). But instead we get 2 roulettes (with rewards that can be repeatedly obtained), that grant 3 bonus tomes for a normal dungeon, and 10 for a raid (the individual ones still do give a little on top of that). The rewards now also get scaled up to about 2.5x the costs as time is now less of a factor (so the top cosmetic is 250).

At this point BLU farming becomes mostly useless. Sure you can run aurum 4x at a 1 tome reward at 1/5th of the normal completion time, but the roulette is already guaranteed to give 4 anyway. So the reward for this excessive farming is 25% more efficiency. For most players that isnt worth it. And its especialy not worth leveling a BLU for as the time investment there takes a lot more time than you are most likely going to be saving.

[Deo14]

Obviously they can still make a system that will just plainly exclude BLU from being able to participate (or at least avoid it breaking it significanltly):

Individual duties have significantly reduced rewards (for example aurum only gives 1 or 2 tomes - where anything lvl 70 or lower gives just 1). But instead we get 2 roulettes (with rewards that can be repeatedly obtained), that grant 3 bonus tomes for a normal dungeon, and 10 for a raid (the individual ones still do give a little on top of that). The rewards now also get scaled up to about 2.5x the costs as time is now less of a factor (so the top cosmetic is 250).

At this point BLU farming becomes mostly useless. Sure you can run aurum 4x at a 1 tome reward at 1/5th of the normal completion time, but the roulette is already guaranteed to give 4 anyway. So the reward for this excessive farming is 25% more efficiency. For most players that isnt worth it. And its especialy not worth leveling a BLU for as the time investment there takes a lot more time than you are most likely going to be saving.

I would like to see BLUs reaction for that. After all, Moogle Troves are about only thing they can look forward to. At the same time, Khloe can still be "abused" by unsyncing it, so I doubt this new Moogle Trove would be any different. Even though it seems obvious, for some reasons, devs don't really implement these obvious solutions.

However I like the Moogle roulettes idea. No BLU/unsync abuse, but if it has no daily lockout, people will just spam them 50 times in a span of 3 days and rest of the month will be dry. And without daily lockout, one of the 2 roulettes will be better.

Main problem would be alliance raids however. Why would you stay 40 minutes for Orbonne for let's say 5 tomes + 10 roulette reward, when you could leave and get 3 minutes short Alexander raid for 2 + 10. All duties would need to have average time and effort calculated and roulette bonus will be based on that. But then we go full circle, because if it had any daily lockout, then people will leave duties which give least amount of roulette bonus tomes. Either way, SE will need to balance rewards, which we all know well is something they are incapable of.

[R041]

Yes, oh my god yes.

We need more stuff like it even. Give us more versions of Wondrous, don't let me Reroll, force me to do content please.

I just want something to do that isn't black and white AFK or Ultimate.

[Espon]

Would I be able to get PvP Series rewards from it? I find PvP frustrating but I have to do it to obtain the rewards.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Would I be able to get PvP Series rewards from it? I find PvP frustrating but I have to do it to obtain the rewards.

prolly maybe not whatever the current ones are, but I can see maybe bring back some really old season rewards for it?

[4clubbedace]

Would I be able to get PvP Series rewards from it? I find PvP frustrating but I have to do it to obtain the rewards.

obv not because pvp needs incentives for people to do it to keep it populated