BLM DPS

[Mikey_R]

1. What's the point of stating this when it's obvious that someone should consider things carefully before saying them?

2. You are confused. It matters how players feel about the class, whether they are the class or not. And BLM looks and feels redundant given that it does good damage under very specific conditions and depending on player expertise. That's why the thread exists, and you cannot form an answer to it except "well aDPS..."

1. Because people do not, plain and simple, especially when it comes to comparing different jobs DPS values.

2. No, how you feel playing the job does not count. That is a purely subjective view which you are using to try and make an objective point. The whole topic started with the premise that other DPS jobs do the same or more DPS than BLM, which goes into the point I make that you cannot compare DPS disparity based solely on rDPS alone, which is what I suspect the OP done. That is the only reason for my post and the only reason why I even made the first post in the topic as I wanted to see if they based their premise on faulty reasoning.

If you notice, I have made no mention on the state of BLM or any job at all. All I have done is stated, you cannot reliably compare 2 DPS if they have different functions (selfish/buffer) with each other showing an example where results can be skewed one way or another. I do not care if people want to make BLM stronger or weaker, add more utility or whatever, I just wanted to put the point across that you have to look at more than just rDPS to make job comparisons when you want to say one is underperforming compared to the rest.

[CelestiCer]

How is every player here suddenly a top Percentile BLM...

Y'all can join us peasants with our Jobs being reworked, simplified, our skills getting deleted. BLM's are free to join us. You get to keep your gameplay, you're Yoshi P's lovechild and somehow still complain about the top DPS percentile performance that most of y'all never get to see. I see BLM's steamroll players, SAM's included in PF environments where people really do not want to adjust to give BLM's their positions. Even the recent Omega Ultimate, BLM's outshine SMN's in performance due to the nature of their skill-kits. And if players can take BLM's to Ultimate and perform there? anything else below it is not going to be impossible.

I am genuinely curious... in what way is BLM suffering? what recent Job changes are BLM suffering from like the majority of us? what content could you not clear where you took BLM to in 6.35? and have you reached the peak percentage to witness the differences between the top percentile performances y'all are making such a mole hill out of?

[Turtledeluxe]

How is every player here suddenly a top Percentile BLM...

Y'all can join us peasants with our Jobs being reworked, simplified, our skills getting deleted. BLM's are free to join us. You get to keep your gameplay, you're Yoshi P's lovechild and somehow still complain about the top DPS percentile performance that most of y'all never get to see. I see BLM's steamroll players, SAM's included in PF environments where people really do not want to adjust to give BLM's their positions. Even the recent Omega Ultimate, BLM's outshine SMN's in performance due to the nature of their skill-kits. And if players can take BLM's to Ultimate and perform there? anything else below it is not going to be impossible.

I am genuinely curious... in what way is BLM suffering? what recent Job changes are BLM suffering from like the majority of us? what content could you not clear where you took BLM to in 6.35? and have you reached the peak percentage to witness the differences between the top percentile performances y'all are making such a mole hill out of?

This is whataboutism. Make a thread to complain about your class and I will support you. The dev team has no idea what they're doing. Also your praise of BLM rings hollow according to the data, sorry. Summoners are incredibly utilized. I couldn't possibly care less if what you're saying is that you expect a Summon to be dominating DPS-- I'm sorry but you don't deserve that, not at all, unless your utility is adjusted correspondingly to be nonexistent. To be honest your post just proves my point-- everyone is clamoring for DPS for the exact reason mentioned previously, to be at the top of the board for no reason. Selfish DPS should be at the top because that's literally all they are good for, period.

The gutting of job gameplay is completely separate problem and has nothing to do with BLM being redundant in parties. And just to emphasize-- you are answering a question with a question which is not an argument. TC asked a question, and you cannot answer it, so you are throwing out herrings.

[CelestiCer]

This is whataboutism.

" Every poster suddenly is a high Percentile performing BLM "
That's my assumption with your response addressing nothing. Factually BLM DPS is high. My praise was aimed at skilled BLM players and factually isn't hollow, since I pointed out BLM and SMN TOP performances. If all you do is look at RDPS and RDPS alone? you're way in over your head on this topic...

And as for play-rate comparison? that's cause BLM is regarded as 1 of if not the most difficult DPS job, and players gravitate to the easiest. Even if players did not like the changes that simplified their Jobs... And just cause Endwalker happens to be catering to melee its not like every melee loves it by default? i missed fighting for my uptime for example.

I am genuinely asking right... in all seriousness regarding playing BLM?

• What content are you struggling to clear.
• What recent changes made your gameplay suffer like the rest of us
• Have u been kicked or denied to join any party or group regarding Raiding?

Getting hung up your DPS performance or your Jobs average? shouldn't make or break you unless it truly is unfair. You like your job cause you like the gameplay or not. At least I valued my lost gameplay a lot more then my tiny bit of DPS increase I received for nothing... Push your job to its limits, once you done that and you notice it's actually unfair? then come present that. Because I have not seen any ounce of anything from your posts. It's all... well as you put it? " whataboutism ".

[Turtledeluxe]

"Every poster suddenly is a high Percentile performing BLM

It isn't high enough dps relative to others to make them feel unique or essential to any fight, and you know that. Other classes are either too self sufficient, add too much utility to the party, or do viable damage to offset any high damage a BLM might do with all the many conditions that need to happen in their favor.

And as for play-rate comparison? that's cause BLM is regarded as 1 of if not the most difficult DPS job, and players gravitate to the easiest.

I already addressed this when discussing Reaper. Reaper is more popular than BLM because it has more utility and it's easier to play. It's just that simple. So the answer to that, is to widely separate their DPS, whether that means nerfing Reaper or buffing BLM. It's just that simple. If people don't like that, then don't play an easy class with utility (Reaper). Everything is about trade offs. For knowing the fight up and down, positioning yourself flawlessly, nursing Enochian constantly, etc you should be rewarded with indisputably higher damage than a class that can heal itself/buff other players/self buff/shield itself/ do pretty good dmg with ease. Otherwise parties don't need you. That's the answer people don't want to hear because they have an expert BLM in their static who kills it every time.

Have u been kicked or denied to join any party or group regarding Raiding?

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No, I haven't been kicked out as I am relatively new but a. I know other players b. I can see examples in party finders where they aren't wanted c. I main BLM and interact with the playerbase and the expectation for us is sometimes very different and d. I have access to google. It's impossible to deny that while BLM may be welcome to raids most of the time, there's much less room for error sometimes. I've have had negative experiences in Practice raids and even casual content where people make comments about DPS with the sort of attitude that is exactly in line with what you are saying--- "Well BLM has good gameplay and high damage naturally, how is their DPS not immediately crushing everyone's?" and I've seen comments in Alliance Raids not aimed at me that were negative. You're literally doing it right now-- "Well I have a BLM in my static and they crush my DPS, so you're wrong". Yet you're living in denial of countless threads I can google over time of people complaining about this very issue. There's posts from years ago saying the same thing-- BLM participation is low...why? Your answer to this question is "oh well other classes are just easy to play" -- no. That's a partial answer. The real answer is that BLM is harder to play and there's no reward in it, because other classes will still be more desirable due to what they bring to the fight and how, and due to their damage buffs SE has handed out like candy.

[Ransu]

How is every player here suddenly a top Percentile BLM...

Y'all can join us peasants with our Jobs being reworked, simplified, our skills getting deleted. BLM's are free to join us. You get to keep your gameplay, you're Yoshi P's lovechild and somehow still complain about the top DPS percentile performance that most of y'all never get to see. I see BLM's steamroll players, SAM's included in PF environments where people really do not want to adjust to give BLM's their positions. Even the recent Omega Ultimate, BLM's outshine SMN's in performance due to the nature of their skill-kits. And if players can take BLM's to Ultimate and perform there? anything else below it is not going to be impossible.

I am genuinely curious... in what way is BLM suffering? what recent Job changes are BLM suffering from like the majority of us? what content could you not clear where you took BLM to in 6.35? and have you reached the peak percentage to witness the differences between the top percentile performances y'all are making such a mole hill out of?

Nah, my SAM is in a garbled mess of gear and I still out do even the good BLM's. SAM despite how boring it is now is still bonkers with its dps.

[Turtledeluxe]

Nah, my SAM is in a garbled mess of gear and I still out do even the good BLM's. SAM despite how boring it is now is still bonkers with its dps.

Yes, I know. Meleewalker. It's not just a phrase I made up on my own.

[remiff]

They will not increase the damage of the black mage for the simple and good reason that it is balanced according to the role of caster, in terms of damage potential it is very largely above the red mage and the summoner,
the black mage just shines less on boss fights which better benefits jobs with mobility.

The current problem with Endwalker is that Melee are all way too strong while they also have teambuffs and mitigation,
as the melee are all balanced between them, they are all very strong since the last balancing patch for them.

The balancing of the caster role is very strange in Endwalker for one simple reason: The Summoner''
the current summoner is in the role of caster while he is almost as mobile as a ranged physical DPS, the summoner has 3 hardcasts, and small cast per minute.

If they increase the damage of the blm they will necessarily have to buff the summoner and the red mage so as not to risk damaging the balance of these, and given the current state of the summoner that's all simply impossible to imagine an increase in its damage,
the only solution is to wait for 7.0 and pray that they reduce the mobility of the summoner to where it should be to carry the name 'Caster' and maybe at that time they can reconsider the balancing of the black mage.

[Turtledeluxe]

They will not increase the damage of the black mage for the simple and good reason that it is balanced according to the role of caster, in terms of damage potential.

The current problem with Endwalker is that Melee are all way too strong while they also have teambuffs and mitigation,
as the melee are all balanced between them, they are all very strong since the last balancing patch for them.

The balancing of the caster role is very strange in Endwalker for one simple reason: The Summoner''
the current summoner is in the role of caster while he is almost as mobile as a ranged physical DPS, the summoner has 3 hardcasts, and small cast per minute.

You are correct-- the obvious solution is to trade off some of the damage melee currently deals since they have other benefits that BLM doesn't have. Because BLM brings nothing to the fight other than damage, it makes no sense to buff any other class that is bringing tons of utility to a fight unless their DPS is literally compromising the fight or you're crying about their position in some leader board. As I keep saying- classes should all have something unique that they bring to the fight. Can we truly say that is the case now? And if damage rebalancing is such an issue, if certain other (easy, I'm sorry) classes just can't lose any damage, then BLM needs to be awarded utility.

[CelestiCer]

You know what's actually a better question... " When was the Last time BLM got nerfed? "

Not saying BLM should receive one, but I know a former static member just celebrates every Patch saying " Thank god Yoshi P yet again our BLM savior that didn't change anything ", cause I can't recall the last negative change BLM received in like... ever... Does anyone have a patch note? on the last significate received nerf BLM got? that would be a good piece of info to have for this.