Delete rescue from the game.

[Renathras]

We clearly have different definitions for "bashing people." For me that means making a personal insult like calling someone stupid or ridiculous. I don't feel like any personal insult was made but it's not up to me to decide how you feel. This does shed light on why you seem to feel so victimized by the forums here tho.

No, it doesn't.

You're putting words in someone's mouth, insisting they said something they didn't. You weren't doing that in a benign way. You weren't saying "It should definitely cease to amaze you that people with differing opinions aren't willing to change them for you" as a complement or neutral statement. Don't pretend you were.

What DID you mean by that?

The obvious reading is you are saying I'm trying to force people to comply with my position against their will. That's not a complement. And it's not a neutral statement (not least of all because I didn't even do it). So what is it? Well...insult would be the other option, wouldn't it?

Then to suggest I "feel victimized" by essentially making up insults when none are intended...when I'm replying to an intended insult.

MAYBE you somehow DON'T think that trying to force people to submit to one's will is an insult. MAYBE you think forcing people to bend to one's will is a laudable trait and were complementing me? Was that your intent? Were you saying that I CAN make people submit and that is a GOOD thing? Maybe you think me forcing people to comply is an alpha move and something to praise?

No?

I didn't think so.

[NobleWinter]

What DID you mean by that? [...]
Was that your intent?

Since you asked, I meant that the fact people aren't willing to change the opinions they are entitled too is not very amazing. It was just commentary mimicking the word choice you used earlier:

"fun, rewarding"

Uh.......wut? o.O

It never ceases to amaze me the hills people will die on. And bash people in the process if they can.

Im not seeing how you're jumping to the multiple conclusions you mentioned. It wasn't meant to make you actually do anything or assign any thought process or motive to you. You took a short post and ran really far with it.

[Renathras]

Since you asked, I meant that the fact people aren't willing to change the opinions they are entitled too is not very amazing. It was just commentary mimicking the word choice you used earlier:

Press X to Doubt.

Im not seeing how you're jumping to the multiple conclusions you mentioned.

What "multiple conclusions" are those?

[NobleWinter]

I had a lot of dialogue left but you already pressed X to doubt so the option for me to continue this silly conversation was lost. Please return to the quest giver for your reward.

[Renathras]

I had a lot of dialogue left but you already pressed X to doubt so the option for me to continue this silly conversation was lost. Please return to the quest giver for your reward.

"I had nothing left, and am trying to avoid answering to being called out on saying I had a lot of things I didn't have."

Gotcha. You tried to overstate your case and couldn't justify it when called out. And you get likes because of course you do, for saying something untrue that you can't defend. Well...boring conversation anyway.

[Tigore]

I am also finding a few of the responses for keeping Rescue in game to use a little hyperbole in their arguments too. I have been a healer for many dungeons in both Warcraft and FF14 and it is very rare for me to actually need the use of it. Probably the best reliable time to use it is to drag the LB3 player after they complete their cast so they can move again away from the fire. But even then, the DPS players tend to look for safe times to do it without needing that. The DPS players I see recently in the FF14 game are generally good about trying to respect the mechanics. Last time Rescue was used on me, it was just from a map night about a month or 2 ago. It was just to the center messing with me when a boss was almost dead anyways.

I offered a suggestion with the Neural Silencer item Warcraft has although it feels like it was still rejected even though the fear of making the spell useless seems to be unfounded on my end. Warcraft already has the item and it was used as intended for times a troll was there. Last I was in dungeons there, most players didn't have it on unless you give them a reason to do so. It is an item consumable, so it makes us think if we actually need that immunity buff up. If the party members are trustworthy, then it is imperative to keep the option open for good use of the spell. If not, then that's what the immunity item is for. The Warcraft version is a 12h buff I think which may not need to be that long. Just an hour or 2 is sufficient in the rare cases I find.

[ASkellington]

I am also finding a few of the responses for keeping Rescue in game to use a little hyperbole in their arguments too. I have been a healer for many dungeons in both Warcraft and FF14 and it is very rare for me to actually need the use of it. Probably the best reliable time to use it is to drag the LB3 player after they complete their cast so they can move again away from the fire. But even then, the DPS players tend to look for safe times to do it without needing that. The DPS players I see recently in the FF14 game are generally good about trying to respect the mechanics. Last time Rescue was used on me, it was just from a map night about a month or 2 ago. It was just to the center messing with me when a boss was almost dead anyways.

I offered a suggestion with the Neural Silencer item Warcraft has although it feels like it was still rejected even though the fear of making the spell useless seems to be unfounded on my end. Warcraft already has the item and it was used as intended for times a troll was there. Last I was in dungeons there, most players didn't have it on unless you give them a reason to do so. It is an item consumable, so it makes us think if we actually need that immunity buff up. If the party members are trustworthy, then it is imperative to keep the option open for good use of the spell. If not, then that's what the immunity item is for. The Warcraft version is a 12h buff I think which may not need to be that long. Just an hour or 2 is sufficient in the rare cases I find.

Because it wouldn't be an item. We're working with SE here. They do things heavy handed.

It is either going to be an option in the settings, in which case why have Rescue?

Or Rescue would be removed.

Further, if we're going to have an item added into the game to negate a skill simply because a handful of players misuse the tool, why keep the tool in the first place instead of remove it?

So yes, it really is either keep or remove Rescue and no, I don't want it removed.

Edit: Further you already have a tool in game

Assert your dominance by using Arm's Length/Surecast to counter the Rescue attempts

[Renathras]

Edit: Further you already have a tool in game

How do you know when someone's going to use Rescue so you can save Arm's Length/Surecast for that?

Have Arm's Length/Surecast been altered so they can be used any time (whether on or off CD, and not triggering the CD) when someone tries to Rescue you so you can block the Rescue without burning your KB immunity CD you may need in that fight?

Has Rescue been changed to have a long telegraph so players can see it coming and use Arm's Length/Surecast to block it?

None of these things?

Then that isn't a solution, is it?

Also: You forgot Inner Release.

[ASkellington]

How do you know when someone's going to use Rescue so you can save Arm's Length/Surecast for that?

Have Arm's Length/Surecast been altered so they can be used any time (whether on or off CD, and not triggering the CD) when someone tries to Rescue you so you can block the Rescue without burning your KB immunity CD you may need in that fight?

Has Rescue been changed to have a long telegraph so players can see it coming and use Arm's Length/Surecast to block it?

None of these things?

Then that isn't a solution, is it?

Also: You forgot Inner Release.

Rescue has enough of a delay for you to use Surecast/Arm's Length if you want to not move. Part of the reason WHY Rescue is such a pain point is because it HAS a delay. If the delay was gone and server tick wasn't shite healers could better time the skill to allow for higher DPS uptime for their melee.

What you're asking for is an opt out button from Rescue completely. Which I have said and will continue to say if you're going to go through all of the trouble to do that, then you may as well stop coming up with "solutions" because they all result in Rescue being deleted from the game.

And personally, if your that worried about an instance that frankly doesn't even make up 5% of your gameplay time - a troll using Rescue - then yes, you should lose your KB immunity over it. Because its just as big of a deal. Any mechanic in the game that knocks you back that you can immune you can just as easily do with out it.

[Renathras]

I would LOVE to see you test this. Have someone use Rescue on you when you're in the middle of a fight at some random point so you don't know it's coming. See if you can react quick enough to use Arm's Length/Surecast to prevent the movement.

Oh, and it also needs to be a fight where you need KB immunity at some point in the fight, so now that it's on CD, you get KO'd by that mechanic.

What you're asking for is an opt out button from Rescue completely. Which I have said and will continue to say if you're going to go through all of the trouble to do that, then you may as well stop coming up with "solutions" because they all result in Rescue being deleted from the game.

I've already said I'm fine with that.